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Subject: Re: Chess improvement method and CC

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 13:28:37 02/04/02

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On February 04, 2002 at 16:08:19, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 04, 2002 at 15:37:38, David Rasmussen wrote:
>
>>On February 04, 2002 at 11:40:07, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>>
>>>On February 04, 2002 at 10:38:04, David Rasmussen wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the link. Great article! I too am a weak chess player, and I have
>>>>also recently had an insight about focusing on tactics instead of positional
>>>>knowledge. I have 40 chess books or so, and of course some of them are about
>>>
>>>I found this kind of things too dogmatic.
>>>The most important part of learning is interest and motivation. If you despise
>>>going through thousands of tactical exercises with nothing in between for
>>>a year most probably your are going to quit after two weeks. This is like
>>>the magic diets where you have to juggle your day around the diet.
>>>As always, improvement is an individual effort and depends very much on the
>>>individual. That's where the importance of the teacher comes, NOT TO EXPLAIN
>>>WHY Ba4 is better than Bxc6 in the Ruy Lopez.
>>>Tactics will be a key for a player, but might not be for another. There
>>>hundreds of details that are important and some of them are not even related
>>>to chess (like attention etc.). In general, tactics are very important
>>>particularly at that level, but it is not wise to separate it from everything
>>>else.
>>>Tactical exercises are good, but it is never good to be 100% of the training.
>>>
>>>Ah! do not forget to play real OTB chess, but not too much. 60-80 slow paced
>>>(anything that last more than 3 hours) games a year, select some and analyze
>>>them to death WITHOUT A COMPUTER, show it to a stronger player or a friend.
>>>Share analysis... Then, use your computer. Keep a notebook with everything...
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Miguel
>>>
>>
>>I know what you mean, and I generally agree. I too find the article dogmatic,
>>but that doesn't matter, IMO. Sometimes that's needed to fight another (older)
>>dogma. The articles is even wrong at some points: It is not necesarily better to
>>be able to look 5 moves with "no positional knowledge (not even material?)",
>>than to look 4 moves with Grandmaster level positional knowledge. In chess
>>programming terms: There are a lot of evaluation terms that makes up for search
>>depth: If you have a passed pawn on the 6th rank supported by your king in an
>>endgame, with positional knowledge, you will know with a 0-ply search that this
>>is strong, whereas it takes a 3-ply search with "no knowledge" to see this.
>
>
>I agree that it is not exactly true that 5 plies is always better than 4 plies
>but 5 plies with understanding of only material and pieces square table may be
>practically better than 4 plies of one of most programs.

No program has an eval of "GM level positional knowledge" so the comparison
is not good.
Better experiment would be a program with no knowledge reaching 5 plies against
a GM in a bullet game with an increment equal to physically make a move. Almost
without thinking.

Miguel



>
>I believe that for programs 5 plies with relatively simple evaluation can be
>better than 4 plies with the best evaluation function.
>
>The fact that for evaluating passed pawns and some other things it may be wrong
>does not prove that for the full game 5 plies is not better than 4 plies.
>
>I believe that the main improvement at the low level can be achieved by tactics.
>knowing positional things,opening theory and endgames can be important for
>relatively good players but not for the rating of weak players.
>
>If I decide that improving as fast as possible is important for me then I think
>that the best plan is to use most of the training time for tactics but I will
>also use some time to learn positional things but it is only because I am
>relatively good player.
>
>I believe that only masters should use most of their time for positional
>things,opening theory,endgames and I also suspect that it is not the case for
>all the masters but only for masters that are relatively good in tactics.
>
>Uri



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