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Subject: Re: Next Palm 61 times as fast? How would that affect chess apps?

Author: Pham Minh Tri

Date: 01:17:28 02/08/02

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On February 07, 2002 at 14:00:03, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 07, 2002 at 13:06:49, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On February 07, 2002 at 02:04:05, Pham Minh Tri wrote:
>>
>>>On February 06, 2002 at 16:43:09, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 06, 2002 at 14:13:03, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2965
>>>>>
>>>>>"... code that has been recompiled for ARM-based chips is 61 times faster on a
>>>>>200MHz ARM processor compared to a 33MHz Dragonball one."
>>>>>
>>>>>Is that a typo?  Did he mean 6 times?
>>>>>
>>>>>If it's not a typo, how would a factor of 61 (article actually implies factor of
>>>>>62 by saying "faster than" rather than "as fast as") affect the rating of such
>>>>>apps as Chess Tiger for Palm and ChessGenius for Palm?
>>>>
>>>>A fairly conservative estimate is 50 ELO increase for each doubling in speed.
>>>>With 5.93 doublings, we would have +296.5 ELO increase.
>>>
>>>Hi Dann,
>>>
>>>200MHz = 33MHz x 2^n --> n < 2.5 --> we would have max +125 Elo increase ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>You are making a huge mistake.
>>
>>You can't compare the speed in MHz of two processors and conclude about their
>>relative computing speed.
>>
>>The DragonBall used in the current Palms needs more than 10 cycles average to
>>execute one instruction. Its a very old architecture (Motorola 68000).
>>
>>The ARM that is going to be used in the PalmOS 5 handhelds needs about one cycle
>>per instruction.
>>
>>PLEASE: forget about comparing Mhz.
>>

You all are right and thank for correcting me :)

However, that is just a comparison when I have only information about MHz, not
NPS. I think most guesses about strengths on speed such as MHz and NPS are not
exactly but still give some good information and relative comparisons.


>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>There is a smiley after the claim so it seems that the poster knows
>that dividing Mhz is not correct way to compare speed.
>
>There is another mistake(I ignored all the part with the smiley so I ignored it
>in my previous post but the mistake is similiar to the previous mistake that
>I found)
>
>If 200=33*2^n you get n>2.5 and not n<2.5
>It seems that Pham Minh Tri solved the equation 200=33*n^2 and not 200=33*2^n
>
>
>Uri





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