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Subject: Re: a test position for Fritz7 and futility pruning

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 00:36:50 02/09/02

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I tested this position with FP on and afterwards with fp off.  It doesn't really
matter to the time needed to find b4 though.

Ernst.

New game
4rnk1/pp1q1ppp/2p4r/3p4/3P4/4P1NP/PPQ2PP1/R3R1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

1.Rac1 Qe6 2.b4 g6 3.e4 Rh4 4.f3 Rd8
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:00  167kN
1.Rac1 Qe6 2.b4 g6 3.Qc5 Ra8 4.e4 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Qxa2
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:00  219kN
1.Rac1 Rg6 2.a3 Qd6 3.Qc5 Qxc5 4.dxc5 Nd7 5.b4 Kf8 6.Rcd1
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:01  746kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.Qf5 Qe7 3.a3 Qh4 4.b4 Rf6 5.Qh5 Qxh5 6.Nxh5
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:03  2017kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.Qf5 Qe7 3.a3 Rf6 4.Qc2 Ng5 5.Qc5 Qxc5 6.Rxc5 Ne4 7.Nxe4 dxe4
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 12/27   00:00:07  4114kN
1.b4!
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 12/27   00:00:10  5940kN
1.b4 Ne6 2.Rab1 Ng5 3.Qf5 Qxf5 4.Nxf5 Rg6 5.Ng3 h5 6.Kf1 Ne4 7.Nxe4 Rxe4 8.Rec1
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 13/24   00:00:13  7937kN
1.a4!
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 13/27   00:00:18  11549kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 Ng5 3.a6 b6 4.Rec1 Ne4 5.Nxe4 dxe4 6.Ra3 Qf5 7.Rc3 Rc8 8.Kh2
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 14/32   00:01:06  40801kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 Rg6 3.b4 Ng5 4.Qc5 a6 5.Rac1 Ne4 6.Nxe4 dxe4 7.Qh5 Rh6 8.Qg4
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 15/33   00:01:25  53512kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 Rg6 3.a6 b6 4.Qf5 Qd6 5.Rac1 Qb4 6.Red1 Rf6 7.Qc2 Nc7 8.Qe2
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 16/36   00:03:05  117198kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 Rg6 3.h4 Rh6 4.Rec1 a6 5.Nf5 Rf6 6.Ra3 Nc7 7.Ng3 Qg4 8.Rb3
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 17/38   00:06:02  233447kN
1.Rac1!
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 17/38   00:07:36  296926kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.b4 Rg6 3.Qf5 Rf6 4.Qh5 Rg6 5.a3 Ng5 6.Qd1 Rh6
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 18/41   00:19:37  765567kN
1.a4!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 18/41   00:21:19  832605kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 Ng5 3.Qf5 Qxf5 4.Nxf5 Rg6 5.Ng3 h5 6.Kf1 h4 7.Nf5 Rf6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19/42   00:51:04  2001251kN
1.b4!
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 19/42   01:17:15  3043867kN
1.b4 Ne6 2.Rec1 Rg6 3.a4 a6 4.Qf5 Rg5 5.Qf3 Rg6 6.Qh5 Ng5 7.b5 cxb5 8.axb5
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 20/46   02:36:56  6153427kN
1.b4 Ne6 2.Reb1 Rg6 3.b5 Ng5 4.bxc6 Rxc6 5.Qf5 Qxf5 6.Nxf5 g6 7.Ng3 b6 8.Rb5
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 21/48   05:36:28  13386470kN

(Celeron 1.2GHz, 832MB hash, 3, 4 & 5 piece EGTB's 08.02.2002)

New game
4rnk1/pp1q1ppp/2p4r/3p4/3P4/4P1NP/PPQ2PP1/R3R1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7: (FP off)

1.Rac1 Qe6 2.b4 g6 3.e4 Rh4 4.f3 Rd8
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:00  170kN
1.Rac1 Qe6 2.b4 g6 3.Qc5 Ra8 4.e4 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Qxa2
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:00  222kN
1.Rac1 Rg6 2.a3 Qd6 3.Qc5 Qxc5 4.dxc5 Nd7 5.b4 Kf8 6.Rcd1
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:01  763kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.b4 Rf6 3.Qa4 a6 4.Qd1 Qe7 5.a3 Rg6 6.Qh5
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 11/25   00:00:03  1903kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.b4 Ng5 3.Qf5 Qxf5 4.Nxf5 Rf6 5.Ng3 Ne4 6.Nxe4 dxe4 7.Red1 Kf8
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 12/26   00:00:05  3110kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.b4 Ng5 3.Qf5 Qxf5 4.Nxf5 Rf6 5.Ng3 Kf8 6.b5 Ne4 7.Nxe4 dxe4 8.bxc6
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 13/28   00:00:12  7155kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.b4 Ng5 3.Qf5 Qxf5 4.Nxf5 Rf6 5.Ng3 Kf8 6.b5 Ne4 7.Nxe4 dxe4 8.bxc6
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 14/30   00:00:30  18057kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.b4 Ng5 3.Qf5 Qxf5 4.Nxf5 Rf6 5.Ng3 Kf8 6.a4 Ne4 7.Nxe4 dxe4 8.Red1
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:54  33204kN
1.Rac1 Ne6 2.a4 Rg6 3.a5 a6 4.Qf5 Qd6 5.Ra1 Qb4 6.Qd3 Ng5 7.Rec1 Ne4 8.Nxe4
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 16/36   00:03:45  138010kN
1.a4!
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 16/43   00:06:21  234288kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 a6 3.b4 Ng5 4.Qf5 Qxf5 5.Nxf5 Rhe6 6.Ng3 Ne4 7.Nxe4 Rxe4 8.Kf1
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 17/39   00:08:31  314542kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 Rg6 3.h4 Rh6 4.Rec1 a6 5.Nf5 Rf6 6.Re1 Nf8 7.Ng3 Qg4 8.Qb3
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 18/40   00:15:35  574865kN
1.a4 Ne6 2.a5 Rg6 3.h4 Rh6 4.Rec1 a6 5.Nf5 Rf6 6.b4 Nc7 7.Ng3
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 19/42   00:48:58  1815903kN
1.b4!
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 19/43   01:08:30  2549207kN
1.b4 Ne6 2.Rec1 Rg6 3.a4 a6 4.Qf5 Rg5 5.Qb1 Nc7 6.Qc2 Qe6 7.Rab1 Rxg3 8.fxg3
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 20/47   02:13:20  4958944kN

(Celeron 1.2GHz, 832MB hash, 3, 4 & 5 piece EGTB's 08.02.2002)



On February 07, 2002 at 12:49:32, Uri Blass wrote:

>[D]4rnk1/pp1q1ppp/2p4r/3p4/3P4/4P1NP/PPQ2PP1/R3R1K1 w - - 0 1
>
>
>I read that in this position Fritz7 could find b4 only without futility pruning.
>
>I have 3 questions:
>
>1)Is 1.b4 the only best move for white?
>
>I believe that humans do not understand much about chess and the fact that
>humans said that b4 is the best move is not enough to convince me.
>
>I will be more convinced if I find that Fritz can win a game against itself
>after 1.b4 and cannot win a game against itself after a different move that it
>prefers.
>
>
>
>2)Can Fritz with the default setting(futility pruning) find 1.b4 after enough
>time?
>
>3)Does Fritz(without futility pruning) find b4 without changing it's mind(please
>test for a long time)
>
>Uri



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