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Subject: Re: 5 difficult positions?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:02:59 02/10/02

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On February 09, 2002 at 19:06:18, Ed Schröder wrote:

>I have a list left of 5 difficult postions for Rebel, of which I think these
>should be solved much faster.
>
>[d]k2N2K1/8/8/8/5R2/3n4/3p4/8 w - - bm Rf7 (Troitzky);
>
>RC4: not found after 5:00 (zugzwang?)

yace p800 without the important tablebase of KQN vs KR(64 mbytes hash tables).

New position
k2N2K1/8/8/8/5R2/3n4/3p4/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1.Rf7 d1Q
  -+  (-4.13)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Kc7
  +-  (3.19)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Kc7 3.Nf7
  +-  (3.25)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Kc7 3.Nf7
  +-  (3.25)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Kc7 3.Nf7
  +-  (3.25)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Nc6+ Kc7 3.Ra3 d1Q 4.Rxd3
  +-  (2.85)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  5kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Nc1 3.Rb1+ Kc8 4.Rb8+ Kxb8
  -+  (-1.85)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  5kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Nc6+ Kc7 3.Ra1 Kxc6
  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  21kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Nc6+ Kc7 3.Ra1 Nc1 4.Ra7+ Kxc6 5.Ra6+ Kd5 6.Ra5+ Kd4 7.Ra4+ Kd3
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  21kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Nc6+ Kc7 3.Ra1 Nc1 4.Ra7+ Kxc6 5.Ra6+ Kc5 6.Ra5+ Kd4 7.Ra4+ Ke3
8.Ra3+ Nd3
  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  139kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Nc6+ Kc7 3.Ra1 Nc1 4.Ra7+ Kxc6 5.Ra6+ Kc5 6.Kf7 d1Q 7.Rd6
  µ  (-0.87)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  155kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Nc1 3.Kf8 d1Q 4.Nf7 Kc7 5.Ra7+ Kc6 6.Nd6
  -+  (-4.26)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  579kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Nc1 3.Kf8 d1Q 4.Nf7 Qb3 5.Nd6 Qf3+ 6.Ke8 Nd3
  -+  (-4.29)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  914kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Rf7 d1Q 3.Nb7 Qg4+ 4.Kf8 Qc8+ 5.Kg7 Ka7
  -+  (-4.28)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  1242kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Rf7 d1Q 3.Nb7 Qd5 4.Kf8 Nd3 5.Ke8
  -+  (-4.27)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  1242kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Nf7 d1Q 3.Rg1 Kb7 4.Rg7 Qd5 5.Kh8
  -+  (-4.34)   Depth: 10   00:00:05  1630kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Ne6 d1Q 3.Rf7 Qg4+ 4.Ng7 Nd3 5.Kf8 Qc8+ 6.Ne8 Qc5+ 7.Kg8 Qd5
  -+  (-4.38)   Depth: 11   00:00:10  3307kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Ne6 d1Q 3.Rf7 Qg4+ 4.Ng7 Nd3 5.Re7 Kb8 6.Kf8 Qf4+ 7.Ke8 Qd6
  -+  (-4.38)   Depth: 12   00:00:20  8186kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Ne6 d1Q 3.Rf7 Nd3 4.Re7 Nf4 5.Ng7 Qb3+ 6.Kh7 Qd3+ 7.Kg8 Qd6 8.Rf7
Qd5
  -+  (-4.44)   Depth: 13   00:00:42  18304kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Nc1 3.Rb1+ Kc8 4.Nf7 d1Q 5.Kf8 Qc2 6.Rb5 Qg6 7.Rd5 Nd3 8.Rd8+
Kb7
  -+  (-4.43)   Depth: 13   00:00:49  21621kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Nc1 3.Rb1+ Kc8 4.Nf7 d1Q 5.Kf8 Kc7 6.Rb5 Kc6 7.Re5 Nd3 8.Re6+
Kd5 9.Rd6+ Ke4 10.Ke7
  -+  (-4.43)   Depth: 13   00:01:09  31699kN
1.Ra4+ Kb8 2.Ra1 Nc1 3.Rb1+ Kc8 4.Nf7 d1Q 5.Kf8 Kc7 6.Ra1 Kc6 7.Ra8 Nd3 8.Rc8+
Kd5 9.Rd8+ Ke4 10.Ke8
  -+  (-4.44)   Depth: 14   00:02:18  65668kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Nc6 d1Q 3.Rf7 Qg4+ 4.Kf8 Qc8+ 5.Kg7 Qc7
  -+  (-4.43)   Depth: 14   00:02:29  71013kN
1.Rf1 Ne1 2.Nc6 d1Q 3.Rf7 Qd5 4.Ne7 Qe6 5.Kf8 Nd3 6.Kg7 Ne5 7.Rf8+ Kb7 8.Rf7
  -+  (-4.43)   Depth: 14   00:02:34  73388kN
1.Rf7 d1Q 2.Nc6 Qg4+ 3.Kf8 Qc8+ 4.Kg7 Qc7
  -+  (-4.42)   Depth: 14   00:02:50  80950kN
1.Rf7 d1Q 2.Nc6 Qg4+ 3.Kf8 Qc8+ 4.Kg7 Qxc6 5.Rf8+ Ka7 6.Rf7+ Kb8 7.Rf8+ Kc7
8.Rf7+ Kd8 9.Rf8+ Kd7 10.Rf7+ Kc8 11.Rf8+ Kc7 12.Rf7+ Kd8 13.Rf8+ Kd7 14.Rf7+
Kc8 15.Rf8+ Kc7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14   00:03:01  86991kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 10.02.2002)

>[d]1k4r1/3r1p1q/1p2pQpP/pPp1P1B1/P1Pp2P1/3P1R2/2n1KR2/8 w - - bm Qxf7;
>
>RC4: not found after 5:00

New position
1k4r1/3r1p1q/1p2pQpP/pPp1P1B1/P1Pp2P1/3P1R2/2n1KR2/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7
  -+  (-2.31)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Kd1
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Kd1 Ne3+ 2.Bxe3 dxe3
  ±  (0.85)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1.Kd2 Ne3
  ±  (0.95)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1.Kd2 Ne3 2.Rf4
  ±  (0.94)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Rf4 Kb7
  ±  (0.95)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Rf4 Ne3 2.Ke1
  ±  (0.96)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Rf4 Ne3 2.Ke1 Rh8
  ±  (0.82)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Rf1 Qxh6 2.Bxh6 Ne3
  ±  (0.83)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Rf1 Ne3 2.Bxe3 dxe3
  ±  (0.84)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Rh2 Qxh6 2.Bxh6 Ne3
  ±  (0.85)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Rh2 Rh8 2.Kd1 Nb4
  ±  (0.87)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Rh2 Rh8 2.Kd1 Nb4 3.Rhf2
  ±  (1.14)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  15kN
1.Rh2 Rh8 2.Kd1 Nb4 3.Rhf2 Ka7
  ±  (1.04)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  35kN
1.Rh2 Rh8 2.Kd2 Na3 3.Rhf2 Nb1+ 4.Ke1 Nc3
  ±  (1.00)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  89kN
1.Qf4 Ne3 2.Qe4 Ka7 3.Bxe3 Qh8
  ±  (1.01)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  89kN
1.Qf4 Nb4 2.Ke1 Rh8 3.Qf6
  ±  (1.04)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  89kN
1.Qf4 Nb4 2.Ke1 Rh8 3.Kd2 Ka7 4.Bf6 Re8
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  315kN
1.Qf4 Nb4 2.Kd1 Rc8 3.Qf6 Ka7 4.Kd2 Rcd8 5.Kd1
  ±  (1.12)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  696kN
1.Qf4 Nb4 2.Kd1 Rc8 3.Qf6 Ka7 4.Ke1 Kb8 5.Kd2 Rh8
  ±  (1.03)   Depth: 10   00:00:04  1459kN
1.Kd2 Nb4
  ±  (1.04)   Depth: 10   00:00:05  1816kN
1.Kd2 Nb4 2.Kd1 Rh8 3.Qf4 Rc8 4.Qf6 Ka7 5.Ke1 Kb8 6.Kd2 Na2 7.Qf4 Nc3 8.Qf6 Nxa4
9.Qxg6
  ±  (1.03)   Depth: 10   00:00:05  1816kN
1.Qf4 Nb4 2.Kd1 Rc8 3.Qf6 Ka7 4.Ke1 Kb8 5.Kd2 Rh8
  ±  (1.03)   Depth: 10   00:00:05  1816kN
1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7 Qh8 3.h7 Qxe5+ 4.Kf1 Qe1+ 5.Kg2 Rc8 6.Rf8 Rxf8 7.Rxf8+ Ka7
8.h8Q Nb4
  ±  (1.04)   Depth: 10   00:00:07  2628kN
1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7 Qh8 3.h7 Qxe5+ 4.Kf1 Qe1+ 5.Kg2 Rc8 6.Rf8 Qxf2+ 7.Rxf2 Ne1+
8.Kg3 Nxd3 9.Rf6 Ne5 10.Rxe6 Nxc4 11.Rxg6
  ±  (1.10)   Depth: 10   00:00:08  2628kN
1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7 Qh8 3.h7 Qxe5+ 4.Kf1 Qe1+ 5.Kg2 Re8 6.Rf8 Qxf2+ 7.Rxf2 Ne1+
8.Kg3 Nxd3 9.Rf3 Nb2 10.Bf6 Kc7
  ±  (1.35)   Depth: 11   00:00:11  3724kN
1.Kd2 Nb4 2.Qxf7 Rxf7 3.Rxf7 Qh8 4.h7 Rc8 5.Bf6 Qxf6 6.exf6 Nxd3
  ±  (1.36)   Depth: 11   00:00:13  4455kN
1.Kd2 Ne3 2.Qf4 Rh8 3.Qe4 Ka7 4.Bxe3 dxe3+ 5.Qxe3 Qxh6 6.Qxh6 Rxh6 7.Rxf7
  ±  (1.40)   Depth: 11   00:00:14  5085kN
1.Kd2 Ne3 2.Qxf7 Rxf7 3.Rxf7 Qh8 4.h7 Rc8 5.Bf6 Qe8 6.Re7 Qxe7 7.Bxe7 Nxg4
  +-  (1.64)   Depth: 12   00:00:24  8263kN
1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7 Qh8 3.h7 Qxe5+ 4.Kf1 Qe1+ 5.Kg2 Re8 6.Rf8 Qxf2+ 7.Rxf2 Ne1+
8.Kg3 Nxd3 9.Rh2 Nb2 10.h8Q Nxa4
  +-  (1.65)   Depth: 12   00:00:30  10126kN
1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7 Qh8 3.h7 Qxe5+ 4.Kf1 Qe1+ 5.Kg2 Re8 6.Rf8 Qxf2+ 7.Rxf2 Ka8
8.h8Q Rxh8 9.Rxc2 Rc8
  +-  (1.85)   Depth: 12   00:00:38  12750kN
1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7 Qh8 3.h7 Qxe5+ 4.Kf1 Qe1+ 5.Kg2 Re8 6.Rf8 Qxf2+ 7.Rxf2 Ka8
8.h8Q Ne1+ 9.Kf1 Rxh8 10.Kxe1 Rc8
  +-  (2.25)   Depth: 13   00:00:51  17272kN
1.Qxf7 Rxf7 2.Rxf7 Qh8 3.h7 Qxe5+ 4.Kf1 Qe1+ 5.Kg2 Re8 6.Rf8 Ne3+ 7.Bxe3 Qxf2+
8.Bxf2 Rxf8 9.Bg3+ Kc8 10.Be5 Kd7 11.Kg3 Re8 12.h8Q
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 13   00:01:03  21033kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 10.02.2002)

>
>
>[d]8/7p/p2p4/P7/1p2k1P1/1P2p2r/2P1R1KP/8 b - - bm Rxh2+;
>
>RC4: not found after 5:00

New position
8/7p/p2p4/P7/1p2k1P1/1P2p2r/2P1R1KP/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1...Rxh2+ 2.Kxh2
  +-  (3.48)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Rf3
  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Rf3 2.h4
  ³  (-0.42)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1...Rf3 2.h4 d5
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Rf3 2.h4 d5 3.g5
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1...Rf3 2.h4 d5 3.g5 d4
  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  1kN
1...Rf3 2.h4 Rf4 3.Kg3 d5 4.g5
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  4kN
1...Rh6 2.h3 Re6 3.h4 Re5 4.Kg1
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  5kN
1...Rh6 2.Re1 Rg6 3.h3 h5 4.Kg3
  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  5kN
1...Rh6 2.Re1 Rg6 3.h3 Rg5 4.Rd1 e2 5.Re1
  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  19kN
1...Rh6 2.h3 Rg6 3.Re1 h5 4.Kg3 Rg5 5.Rd1
  ³  (-0.57)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  46kN
1...Rh6 2.h3 Rg6 3.Re1 Rg5 4.Ra1 Rc5 5.Ra2 Re5
  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  87kN
1...Rh6 2.h3 Rg6 3.Re1 h5 4.Kg3 hxg4 5.hxg4 Rg5 6.Rd1 e2 7.Re1
  µ  (-0.71)   Depth: 10   00:00:00  175kN
1...Rh6 2.Kg3 Re6 3.Re1 Re5 4.Ra1 Kd4 5.Ra4 e2 6.Kf2 e1Q+ 7.Kg2
  µ  (-0.92)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  391kN
1...Rh6 2.Re1 Rf6 3.Re2 Rg6 4.h3 Rg5 5.Re1 Rxa5 6.Kf1 d5 7.Ke2 Rc5 8.Rf1
  µ  (-1.18)   Depth: 12   00:00:03  852kN
1...Rh6 2.Kf1 Rf6+ 3.Ke1 Kf3 4.h3 Rh6 5.Rh2 Kg3 6.Re2 Re6 7.g5 Kh4 8.c4 Kxg5
  µ  (-1.24)   Depth: 13   00:00:07  3212kN
1...Rf3 2.h3 Kf4 3.g5
  µ  (-1.25)   Depth: 13   00:00:09  4158kN
1...Rf3 2.h3 Kf4 3.g5 Rg3+ 4.Kh2 Rxg5 5.Kh1
  -+  (-1.58)   Depth: 13   00:00:15  6626kN
1...Rf3 2.Kg1 Kf4 3.Rg2 d5 4.g5 d4 5.g6 hxg6 6.Rxg6 e2 7.Kg2 e1Q 8.c4
  -+  (-1.62)   Depth: 13   00:00:23  10560kN
1...Rf3 2.Kg1 Kf4 3.Rg2 h6 4.Re2 Kxg4 5.Rg2+ Kf4 6.Re2 h5 7.Kg2 h4 8.Kg1 d5
  -+  (-1.72)   Depth: 14   00:00:29  13569kN
1...Rf3 2.Kg1 Kf4 3.Rg2 h6 4.Re2 Kxg4 5.Rg2+ Kf4 6.Re2 Ke4 7.Rg2 Rf5 8.h4 h5
9.Rg6
  -+  (-1.79)   Depth: 15   00:00:43  20479kN
1...Rxh2+ 2.Kxh2 Kf3 3.Re1 Kf2 4.Rg1 e2 5.Rg2+ Ke3 6.Rg3+ Kd2 7.Rd3+ Kxc2 8.Re3
Kd2 9.Rf3
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 15   00:01:00  28859kN
1...Rxh2+ 2.Kxh2 Kf3 3.Rg2 e2 4.Rg1 d5
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 15   00:01:04  30898kN
1...Rxh2+ 2.Kxh2 Kf3 3.Rg2 e2 4.Rg1 Kf2 5.Rg2+ Ke1 6.Rg1+ Kd2 7.g5 e1Q 8.c3 bxc3
9.Rg2+ Kd1 10.Rg1
  -+  (-2.20)   Depth: 16   00:01:35  45468kN
1...Rxh2+ 2.Kxh2 Kf3 3.Rg2 e2 4.Rg1 Kf2 5.Rg2+ Ke3 6.Rg3+ Kd2 7.Rd3+ Kxc2 8.Re3
Kd2 9.Re4 e1Q 10.Rxe1 Kxe1 11.Kg3 Kd2 12.Kf3 Kc2 13.Ke4
  -+  (-2.80)   Depth: 16   00:01:59  56192kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 10.02.2002)

>
>
>[d]2rr2k1/1pqbbppp/p3p3/4p3/2P5/2N1P1P1/PP2QPBP/2RR2K1 w - - bm c5; id Anand;
>
>RC4:  02:17

yace agree that it is not easy and the p800 cannot see c5 in 4 minutes

New position
2rr2k1/1pqbbppp/p3p3/4p3/2P5/2N1P1P1/PP2QPBP/2RR2K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1.Rxd7 Rxd7
  -+  (-1.95)   Depth: 1   00:00:01
1.Qh5
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 1   00:00:01
1.Qh5 Bc6
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 2   00:00:01
1.Qd3 Bc6
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 2   00:00:01
1.Qd3 Ba4 2.Qe4 Bxd1
  µ  (-0.97)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
1.Qd3 Ba4 2.Qxd8+ Bxd8
  µ  (-1.27)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
1.Qh5 Ba4
  µ  (-1.26)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
1.Qh5 Qxc4 2.Bxb7
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
1.Qh5 Bc6 2.Rxd8+ Rxd8 3.e4
  =  (-0.07)   Depth: 4   00:00:01
1.Qh5 b6 2.b3 Qc5 3.Be4
  =  (-0.11)   Depth: 5   00:00:01  17kN
1.Qh5 Bc6 2.e4 Bd7 3.b3 Qc5
  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  96kN
1.Qh5 Be8 2.b3 Rxd1+ 3.Rxd1 b5 4.Bf1 Qc5 5.e4
  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 7   00:00:02  377kN
1.Qh5 Bc6 2.e4 Bd7 3.b3 Ba3 4.Rc2 Bc5
  =  (-0.17)   Depth: 8   00:00:05  1135kN
1.a3 Bxa3 2.bxa3 Qxc4
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 8   00:00:07  2172kN
1.a3 a5 2.Qh5 Qb6 3.Qe2 Qb3 4.Qc2 Qxc2 5.Rxc2
  =  (-0.14)   Depth: 8   00:00:09  2523kN
1.b3 a5 2.Qh5 Bc5 3.Be4 Bxe3 4.fxe3 Qxc4
  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 8   00:00:09  2826kN
1.b3 Bc6 2.Bxc6 Qxc6 3.e4 Rxd1+ 4.Qxd1 Ba3 5.Rc2 Bc5 6.Rd2
  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 8   00:00:10  3169kN
1.b3 Ba3 2.Rc2 Bc6 3.Rxd8+ Rxd8 4.Rd2 Bxg2 5.Kxg2 Bc5 6.e4
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 9   00:00:14  4239kN
1.a3 a5 2.Qh5 Qb6 3.Qe2 Rxc4 4.Qxc4 Rc8 5.Qxc8+ Be8
  =  (-0.15)   Depth: 9   00:00:16  4928kN
1.a3 a5 2.Be4 b6 3.Bd3 Bc6 4.Qh5 g6 5.Qh6
  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 9   00:00:19  5955kN
1.a3 Bc6 2.e4 a5 3.Rxd8+ Rxd8 4.Rd1 Rxd1+ 5.Qxd1 Qb6 6.Qc2 Qd4 7.Ne2 Qc5
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 10   00:00:42  13719kN
1.a3 Bc6 2.e4 Rd4 3.b4 Rcd8 4.c5 Bg5 5.Rc2 Qd7 6.Bf3
  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 11   00:01:13  24273kN
1.b3 Ba3 2.Rc2 Bc6 3.Rxd8+ Rxd8 4.Rd2 Rxd2 5.Qxd2 Bb4 6.Bxc6 h6
  =  (-0.11)   Depth: 11   00:01:28  29578kN
1.b3 Ba3 2.Rc2 Bc6 3.Rxd8+ Rxd8 4.Rd2 Bxg2 5.Rxd8+ Qxd8 6.Kxg2 Bb4 7.Ne4 f5 8.g4
  =  (-0.11)   Depth: 11   00:01:31  30642kN
1.Qc2 b6 2.Bf1 a5 3.a3 Bc6 4.Bd3 Kh8 5.Bxh7 Re8
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 11   00:02:38  53519kN
1.Qc2 b6 2.Bf1
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 11   00:02:41  54625kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 10.02.2002)

Uri

>
>
>Version: Rebel Century 4 (WB), Athlon 1400, 60 Mb hash.
>
>I am looking forward to the analysis of other engines.
>
>Ed



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