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Subject: Re: Another Candidate for the Most Difficult Tactical Combo in the World

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 12:28:10 02/10/02

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On February 08, 2002 at 16:05:22, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>Some of my previous posting on this Topic where solved By some programs;
>(Like Sjeng)(which I do not think is a good program) this time I am
>sure That no program in The WORLD will even Come close to Solving
>this.Theposition is from a game between an IM and a GM (with the GM winning).
>In my opinion the Position is More difficult than all of THE NOLOT famous
>test Positions.It should therefore serve an a benchmark.Needless to say finding
>such positions is no easy matter ;because it requires many hours (days;Months)
>of research.
>[D]r1bq1r2/p2np1k1/3p2pR/3pP3/2pP4/5N2/PP2Q1P1/2KR1B2 w
>Important Note:the solution is not sensative to Extentions!!
>The solution as played in the actual game is:(in great style):19.Rxg6+!! Kxg6
>20.Nh4+ Kh6 21.Qe3+ Kh7 22.Bd3+!! cxb3 23.Qxd3+ Kh8 24.Rh1 Nf6 25.exf6 Qc7+
>26.Kb1 Rxf6 27.Nf3+ Kg8 28.Qh7+ Kf8 29.Qh8+ Kf7 30.Ng5+ Kg6.31.Qh5+ (1-0)
>What does your program say? For Comparison here is the line given by
>CM 8000 after 11 hours of furious Computation on a 500 MHZ Computer
>19.Qe3 Rxf3 20.gxf3 Nf8 21.Bh3 Qb6 22.exd6 Rb8 23.Rd2 Qxd6 (No Cigar).

I didn't know that this was posted before as Dann points out.
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http://www.it.ro/ccc_search/ccc.php?find_thread=195352

"The second position comes from the game Michal Krasenkow(White) vs Bodgan
Grabarczk(Black) 57 Polish Championship,Plock,2000
After 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 0-0 5.h3 c6 6.e5 Ne8 7.f4 d6 8.Nf3 f6
9.Be3 fxe5 10.fxe5 Nc7 11.Qe2 Nd7 12.0-0-0 b5 13.h4 bxc4 14.h5 Nd5 15.hxg6 hxg6
16.Nxd5 cxd5 17.Bh6 Bxh6+ 18.Rxh6 Kg7 .Here White found the incredible
19.Rxg6+!!! This is the move that the above mentioned programs (Fritz6, CM8000)
were not able to find even after 24 hours.It does lead needless to say to a win
by force.
For the record the game ended 19....Kxg6 20.Nh4+ Kh6 21.Qe3+ Kh7 22.Bd3+!!
cxd3 23.Qxd3+ Kh8 24.Rh1 Nf6 25.exf6 Qc7+ 26.Kb1 Rxf6 27.Nf3+ Kg8
28.Qh7+ Kf8 29.Qh8+ Kf7 30.Ng5+ Kg6 31.Qh5+ Black Resigned."


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Not really a serious program to try this, as Q5T personality is only meant for
finding combinations and unsound sacs, but at least it does play the keymove
here :) Only after 1 hour 10 minutes does the line with 20.Nh4 and 22.Bd3+ also
appear on the screen:

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date ""]
[Round ""]
[White ""]
[Black ""]
[Result ""]
[FEN "r1bq1r2/p2np1k1/3p2pR/3pP3/2pP4/5N2/PP2Q1P1/2KR1B2 w - -"]

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[D]r1bq1r2/p2np1k1/3p2pR/3pP3/2pP4/5N2/PP2Q1P1/2KR1B2 w - -

Game begin

00:00  03.00  3.13  1.Qe3 Kf7 2.e6+ Ke8
00:00  05.00  3.02  1.Qe3 Rh8 2.Rxg6+ Kf8 3.exd6
00:00  06.00  2.32  1.Qe3 Rh8 2.Ng5 Kxh6 3.Nf7+ Kg7 4.Nxd8
00:07  06.02  2.32  1.Rxg6+
00:09  07.00  1.93  1.Qe3 Rh8 2.Ng5 Nxe5 3.Rxh8 Kxh8 4.dxe5 Qb6
00:15  07.01  1.93  1.Rxg6+
00:24  07.01  2.98  1.Rxg6+ Kxg6 2.Qc2+ Kg7 3.Ng5 Kh6 4.Be2 Kxg5 5.Qh7 Rf2 6.Bf3
01:48  08.00  3.72  1.Rxg6+ Kxg6 2.Qc2+ Kg7 3.Ng5 Kh6 4.Qh7+ Kxg5 5.Qg7+ Kf5
6.Be2 Nxe5 7.dxe5
06:26  09.00  3.39  1.Rxg6+ Kxg6 2.Qc2+ Kg7 3.Ng5 Nf6 4.exf6+ Kxf6 5.Qh7 Rh8
6.Qf7+ Kxg5 7.Qg7+ Kf5  (6 minutes 26 seconds)
10:22  10.00  4.09  1.Rxg6+ Kxg6 2.Nh4+ Kh6 3.Qe3+ Kh7 4.Bd3+ cxd3 5.Qxd3+ Kh8
6.Rh1+ Rf7 7.Ng6+  (Add one hour to time given)

Celeron 500 MHz, Rebel Century 2 with Q5T personality, running under ECTool 6.



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