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Subject: Re: The probability to find better move is simply irrelevant for diminishing

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:19:08 02/11/02

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On February 11, 2002 at 04:25:46, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On February 10, 2002 at 23:33:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>Note that I qualified my answer.  "there is no apparent DR for searches that
>>we do today, or searches we might do in 2 years."
>
>Sure, but to me, it sound like you believe this is a case of assuming no-DR
>untill proven otherwise. If anything I would probably say the opposite: assume
>DR untill proven otherwise.

I can imagine positions when there is an increasing returns.

Imagine a position when there is a trap when at small depth programs fall into
the trap and lose the game.

If you give program at small depth to play you may find result of 50% because
the program that starts is losing because of falling into the trap and after
falling into the trap finding the moves is simple.

If you give programs at big depthes to play they do not fall into the trap so
you may see result of more than 50%.

I see no reason to assume that there is diminishing returns.
It is clear that there will be 0 returns after solving the game and I tend to
believe that usually there is a deminishing returns even before solving the game
but when the game is not simple you are not close to solving the game and it is
not clear for me that practically there is deminishing returns.

I expect to see deminishing returns in chess in the future only because I
believe that chess is relatively a simple game but it does not mean that it is
simple enough to have  diminishing returns without big books on the hardware of
today.

Uri



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