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Subject: Re: Simple position - no understanding for many chess programs

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:53:54 02/13/02

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On February 13, 2002 at 16:19:21, James T. Walker wrote:

>On February 13, 2002 at 15:38:58, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>Black to move. The position is a draw, even if White could manage to win both
>>Black pawns. But quite a lot of [top] programs do not at all understand this and
>>show completely wrong evaluations.
>>
>>A good example where a 1500-ELO-player does better than the so called
>>2700-ELO-silicon-monsters!!
>>Kurt
>>
>>[D] 8/8/5k1p/6pP/6K1/8/8/3B4 b - - 0 1
>
>I believe that playing the position properly (saving the draw) is more important
>than the eval shown by the program.  I think some programmers don't care if the
>score shows that the program thinks it's ahead because it has a bishop for a
>pawn.  I think it's more important that it gets a draw when the game is
>technically a draw.  I also see many cases where one program will show a score
>of +56.25 where others will show only +10.15.  Does it really matter?  I also
>believe that chess programs do not understand _a_n_y_ positions.  They simply do
>what they are told and hopefully in most cases it is the right thing to do.  The
>score is simply a means to arrive at what is hopefully the best move.  Every day
>I see two progams playing on auto232 where they both think they are ahead and
>even when they both think they are behind.  They still play better than any 1500
>player I know.

They play well but if weak players are going to ask them for their mistakes
the computers may say stupid things.

Here is an example from a game between 2 childs under 10 from the other forum

[D]8/8/b7/5k2/5p1p/6pP/3B2P1/6K1 w - - 0 64

White played Bxf4

suppose that he later analyzes his game to find his mistakes.
every program that I know tells him that Bxf4 was a big mistake when it is a
draw after Bxf4 like after other moves that are not Be3.

Uri



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