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Subject: Re: Simple position - no understanding for many chess programs

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:31:49 02/13/02

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On February 13, 2002 at 18:19:26, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On February 13, 2002 at 18:16:49, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>>On February 13, 2002 at 17:29:27, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>On February 13, 2002 at 17:16:56, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>>>[snip]
>>>>It seems that a lot of people in this forum underestimate Computers Grossly.
>>>>There is nothing that a 1500 player can do which a program cant
>>>
>>>How about "make coffee?"
>>>
>>>1500 players will occasionally see things that computers don't.  The hard part
>>>is getting to a position like that.  The odds of working your way through the
>>>maze to the point where you can see something the computer does not are
>>>incredibly small.
>>>
>>>Just because you can't see them does not mean that some 1500 players can't.
>>Once again it seems to me that you just dont get the point.In Order to truely
>>appreciate the Strenght of current Programs;you should at least play 30 games
>>at 40/2.
>
>I have done this.  I play at least two games a week at 40/2 (mostly against
>amateur programs like Crafty or Comet).
>
>>Also there is "No POSITION LIKE THAT".
>
>???
>
>>Also I am not talking about
>>myself.
>
>Then how do you know what 1500 players will do if you aren't one?  Clearly you
>would have no idea if you were not in that category.
>
>>Please keep the discussion at a nonpersonnal level.And give evidence for
>>what you say.ie .Show me the 1500 elo plyer and the position.
>
>Look at Uri's position down below.  A 1000 patzer would take the pawn in a
>heartbeat and computers are without a clue.

The computer move is not a mistake there but the move of the child (less than 10
years old) is also not a mistake.

The problem there is not a bad move of the computer but the fact that the
computer may say that a move is a mistake when it is not a mistake.

Note that I believe that the child who played with white had probably rating of
more than 1500.

I have rating that is close to 2000 but I need to think to see that capturing
the pawn is also a draw.

The game was posted in the other forum.

Uri



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