Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:41:56 02/13/02
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On February 13, 2002 at 18:31:49, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 13, 2002 at 18:19:26, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On February 13, 2002 at 18:16:49, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>On February 13, 2002 at 17:29:27, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>On February 13, 2002 at 17:16:56, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>>[snip] >>>>>It seems that a lot of people in this forum underestimate Computers Grossly. >>>>>There is nothing that a 1500 player can do which a program cant >>>> >>>>How about "make coffee?" >>>> >>>>1500 players will occasionally see things that computers don't. The hard part >>>>is getting to a position like that. The odds of working your way through the >>>>maze to the point where you can see something the computer does not are >>>>incredibly small. >>>> >>>>Just because you can't see them does not mean that some 1500 players can't. >>>Once again it seems to me that you just dont get the point.In Order to truely >>>appreciate the Strenght of current Programs;you should at least play 30 games >>>at 40/2. >> >>I have done this. I play at least two games a week at 40/2 (mostly against >>amateur programs like Crafty or Comet). >> >>>Also there is "No POSITION LIKE THAT". >> >>??? >> >>>Also I am not talking about >>>myself. >> >>Then how do you know what 1500 players will do if you aren't one? Clearly you >>would have no idea if you were not in that category. >> >>>Please keep the discussion at a nonpersonnal level.And give evidence for >>>what you say.ie .Show me the 1500 elo plyer and the position. >> >>Look at Uri's position down below. A 1000 patzer would take the pawn in a >>heartbeat and computers are without a clue. > >The computer move is not a mistake there but the move of the child (less than 10 >years old) is also not a mistake. > >The problem there is not a bad move of the computer but the fact that the >computer may say that a move is a mistake when it is not a mistake. > >Note that I believe that the child who played with white had probably rating of >more than 1500. > >I have rating that is close to 2000 but I need to think to see that capturing >the pawn is also a draw. > >The game was posted in the other forum. > >Uri I copy the important part of the game to this forum It was a championship under 10 and I know from expereince that there are childs at this age with rating of 1800. The game was a game of more than 500 plies because the sides did not know or prefered not to use the 50 move rule to ask for a draw. I guess that the rating of the players was close to 1700-1800 based on this game. There were no stupid errors but there were some small tactical errors like 12...Qxc3 that is losing the queen for a rook and a bishop and 14.Ra2 that miss winning that deal. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.d3 Nd4 6.Be3 c5 7.0-0 0-0 8.a3 Bxc3 9.bxc3 Nxf3+ 10.Qxf3 d6 11.h3 Qa5 12.Qd1 Qxc3 13.Bd2 Qb2 14.Ra2 Qb6 15.Qf3 Qd8 16.Qg3 Ne8 17.Bh6 Bd7 18.Be3 b5 19.Bb3 a5 20.c3 a4 21.Bc2 Qa5 22.Bd2 Rb8 23.Qe3 Be6 24.Rb2 Nf6 25.Rfb1 Bd7 26.c4 Qa6 27.cxb5 Bxb5 28.Bc3 Rb7 29.Qd2 Rfb8 30.Qd1 h6 31.Bd2 d5 32.exd5 Nxd5 33.Qg4 Bd7 34.Rxb7 Rxb7 35.Qd1 Rxb1 36.Qxb1 Qb5 37.Qe1 f6 38.Qe4 Qc6 39.Bxa4 Qxa4 40.Qxd5+ Kh7 41.Qa2 Bb5 42.Be3 Qd1+ 43.Kh2 Qxd3 44.Bxc5 Qc4 45.Qxc4 Bxc4 46.Kg3 Kg8 47.Kg4 Kf7 48.Kh5 Be2+ 49.Kh4 g5+ 50.Kg3 h5 51.f3 f5 52.Be3 f4+ 53.Kf2 Bd3 54.Bd2 Kf6 55.Ke1 Kf5 56.Kf2 h4 57.Ke1 e4 58.fxe4+ Bxe4 59.Kf2 g4 60.a4 g3+ 61.Kg1 Bd5 62.a5 Bc4 63.a6 Bxa6 64.Bxf4 Kxf4 65.Kh1 Bc8 66.Kg1 Bb7 67.Kh1 Ke3 68.Kg1 Ke2 69.Kh1 Bxg2+ Uri
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