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Subject: Re: Question for chess programmers: Go

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 14:22:01 02/14/02

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On February 13, 2002 at 13:58:41, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 13, 2002 at 11:14:10, Colin Frayn wrote:
>
>>On February 13, 2002 at 11:06:12, Edward Seid wrote:
>>
>>>Have you ever tried programming a Go engine?  Or do you even have an interest or
>>>understanding of the game of Go?
>>
>>Yes and yes.  Go is a fascinating game, and I must admit I actually prefer it to
>>chess (heretic!).  It is, however, extremely difficult to write a program that
>>plays Go to any reasonable standard.  In terms of a computer science project it
>>is a terrible idea - Chess is such that it comes mainly down to the quality of
>>the search algorithm, the stability of the code, and the accuracy of the
>>evaluation function.  Go is different - a Go playing program must be almost
>>entirely evaluation code, analysing the board in increasingly more complicated
>>ways which begin to require more and more specialised knowledge.
>>
>>Anyway, I urge people here to learn the game - it's very cute.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Col
>
>Some questions:
>1)What is the rating difference from having hardware that is twice faster in go?
>
>2)Is the difference between the best player in the world and the player that is
>ranked 100th is similiar to the difference in chess?
>
>Uri


--2

The differnce between the top 9dans can be quite large, since the ranking system
of go is more or less a title system.  Once a 9 dan, always a 9 dan.  That said,
go professionals tend to have a longer effective career then chess pros.  In
chess you are pretty much in your prime from 25-40 ish...after 40 you are going
down hill.  In go, you get players winning titles at 60.  I would estimate that
a players prime in Go is probably later, ie 30-50.  Of course there are
exceptions.

Anyway, take Lee Changho or Cho Hun-Hyeon, the two best players in the world,
these two players are very strong and dominate the field, yet you still see them
lose.  In chess you get the top gms losing to weaker ones all the time.  Anand
even lost to a 2400 guy remember!

So, for the most part, I would say that the top players are probably as strong
as Karparov and Kramnik range (and I would also say that they seem to play like
them too :) ) and upsets do happen.

JW




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