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Subject: Re: Easy for humans

Author: martin fierz

Date: 13:45:45 02/17/02

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On February 17, 2002 at 11:43:09, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On February 17, 2002 at 11:34:40, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2002 at 05:43:22, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 17, 2002 at 05:21:47, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 17, 2002 at 04:55:13, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Here is another position which is easy to solve for humans. In a blitz game
>>>>>between Hossa and Arasan the following position was on the board:
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]8/8/4B2p/2K5/r5P1/p5k1/Rb6/8 b - - 7 116
>>>>>
>>>>>For humans it's rather easy to see that 117... Rxg4 wins without any problems
>>>>>because the white rook is totally paralyzed. Unfortunately Hossa wasn't able to
>>>>>see this in the blitz game. So the game continued until the 50 moves rule forced
>>>>>Hossa to take the bishop and finally to win the game.
>>>>>Which engines find 117... Rxg4 in which time?
>>>>
>>>>Easy for comps too :)
>>>>
>>>>2 secs for RC4
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>==============================================================
>>>>
>>>>00:00:02.1	1,88	9	449751	Re4 Kd6 Re3 Bf5 Kf4 Be6 Re5 Bd7
>>>>00:00:02.1	1,88	9	817955	Rxg4
>>>>00:00:02.1	2,09	9	835992	Rxg4 Bxg4 Kxg4 Kd5 h5 Kd6 h4 Kd5
>>>>00:00:03.3	2,17	10	1122788	Rxg4 Bxg4 Kxg4 Kd5 h5 Ke4 h4 Ke3
>>>>00:00:04.5	2,01	11	2027319	Rxg4 Bxg4 Kxg4 Kc4 h5 Kd3 Kf3 Kc4
>>>>00:00:34.6	3,62	12	31107270	Rxg4 Bd7 h5 Bc6 Rf4 Kb5 h4 Ka5
>>>>00:00:44.1	3,82	13	41624594	Rxg4 Bd7 h5 Bc6 Rf4 Bb5
>>>
>>>
>>>Trivial for Deep Fritz
>>>
>>>It knows that opposite color bishops with one pawn advantage gives good chances
>>>for a draw so it's only choice is to sacrifice the rook by evaluation.
>>
>>
>>Where do you see an opposite bishops ending after Rxg4 Bxg4 Kxg4 ?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>
>
>Oops... Sorry.
>
>OK, I've got it now. It's opposite colored bishops BEFORE the above capture
>sequence.
>
>I did not get it at first because Tiger does not consider opposite bishop
>endings as drawish when there are other pieces on the board (like rooks).
>
>Looks like I really should have a second look at this rule... :)
>
>
>
>    Christophe


then again, maybe you should not :-)

opposite colored bishops with queens give great winning chances
if you can attack the other king. with rooks on, things are very
unclear too - i think you have the rule right.

martin



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