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Subject: Re: CCC Shameful Advertising Hall of Fame (was: CSS 3/98...)

Author: Fernando Villegas

Date: 10:21:07 06/26/98

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Hi steve:
Great idea, a funny one. If I were to begin with this, I will recall two
programs by Chris W. Although I love very much CSTAL, the full meaning of his
publicity as something that play as Tal would do, is, to say the less,
deceiving. Before, the Complete Chess System that I bought in London talked in
his box of a first place in a tournament that never was held.
Fernando
Of course, there are lot more examples, many of them current stuff.


On June 26, 1998 at 11:45:17, Steven Schwartz wrote:

>On June 26, 1998 at 09:33:49, Bert Seifriz wrote:
>
>>Now somehow I do not trust those ChessMaster numbers, sorry. But even when you
>>divide them by 10 ChessMaster would still be another 10 times ahead of Fritz
>>worldwide. (In Germany ChessMaster is definitely not a bestseller though!)
>>It would in fact be also interesting to know more about other programs like
>>M-Chess, Shredder, Nimzo, CS-Tal, Virtual, Zarkov, Hiarcs etc. etc. That they
>>all together have only a market share of 5 percent is not at all realistic
>>compared with our numbers. But no manufacturer will give you his numbers, so >allcomes down to fortune telling. And for the statistics in CSS you could cite >the Italian proverb: Si non e vero, e bon trovato. If it is not true it is at least well made up.
>>Bert/gambitsoft.com
>
>Chessmaster claims remind me of the former claims of McDonalds.
>They used to shout from every sign in front of every McDonalds
>"Over 20 Billion Sold" (and every week they would change the
>sign to reflect the new, higher numbers).
>
>Every time there is a new Chessmaster, there is a new "Number
>Sold" proclaimed on the box (in the millions instead of billions,
>ostensibly, I believe, because more people eat hamburgers than
>play chess - at least in the U.S. :-)). Who is counting????
>Who is auditing that count????
>
>Based upon my experience, commercial software (Chessmaster,
>Extreme, Virtual, Grandmaster, Expert, etc.) is 95% of the U.S.
>market in numbers sold (perhaps 90% in monies spent).
>
>Our current Opinion Poll on what software we possess is very
>interesting, but, to a great degree, reflects almost entirely
>the "serious" chess player who is a member of CCC, and it does
>not at all take into the account the vast majority of chess
>players who buy chess software - the people who come into our
>store from off the street. These people would rather spend $30
>on a program that will beat them every time they play it than
>on a program that costs $100 and will beat them every time
>they play it.
>
>I have seen 20 years of creative chess advertising. I just got
>off the phone with a customer who purchased from us an Atlanta
>(stand-alone) based upon a current U.S. Chess Federation ad
>proclaiming a "2280+ Swedish ELO program". While he was on the
>phone, I called up the SSDF list but could find the Atlanta nowhere.
>Then I realized that the text said a 2280+ *PROGRAM*!?! Ah, so
>perhaps this "program" was running on very fast hardware and wound
>up with a 2280+ rating, but that has nothing to do with the Atlanta
>and its processor! Not to mention that the claim flies in the
>face of the Federation's own policy not to advertise ANY rating
>unless it is their "official" rating.
>
>Not a year has gone by without many instances of such
>"creative advertising". It is a shame. Perhaps, we can start
>a CCC Shameful Advertising Hall of Fame. I know, as a retailer,
>I may be opening a Pandora's Box, but it would be interesting
>to read CCC member's nominations for specific chess ad claims
>from the distant past up to the present that deserve entry
>into the SAHF.
>
>-Steve - ICD/Your Move - icdchess.com



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