Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:41:17 02/20/02
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On February 20, 2002 at 14:47:59, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 20, 2002 at 13:45:08, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 20, 2002 at 12:18:56, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On February 20, 2002 at 12:10:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On February 20, 2002 at 12:00:12, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 20, 2002 at 11:29:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Don't understand the king safety evaluation here myself. All Crafty will >>>>>>consider for black is Nxe5. Handling this kind of position is critical when >>>>>>playing on ICC for example... "Thou shalt not attack thyself..." >>>>> >>>>>All Crafty will ever think is 'thou shalt not attack..." :) >>>>> >>>>> int king_safety_asymmetry = -40; >>>>> >>>>>Horrors! >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>GCP >>>> >>>> >>>>Whatever it takes to survive. Better to defend and win than to attack >>>>and lose... which is _very_ common against a few particular players on >>>>ICC. >>>> >>>>Why open up both yourself _and_ your opponent and hope _you_ get the attack >>>>going first? Humans are _better_ at analyzing such positions than any computer >>>>program around. Playing right into their strength is incredibly dangerous... >>> >>>Playing tournament time control game is not the same as playing in ICC and I >>>guess that van wely could try a different strategy against Crafty. >> >>Why would you think that? Crafty plays _plenty_ of long games on ICC, and >>those are the games I generally use to adjust things, _not_ the more numerous >>blitz games that happen. I generally ignore those unless I see some sort of >>long-term trend taking shape... > >I guess that most of the long games are at faster time control than 120/40. Most FIDE games are faster than 120/40 in fact... >> >> >> >> >>> >>>Van wely plays against the opponent so it is natural that he is going to play >>>for positions that Rebel does not know to play and not for positions that other >>>programs do not know to play. >> >>I don't agree. I don't think he knows a lot about Rebel 4. He is just playing >>positions that computers in general don't understand. I have played him many >>games on ICC as have others. He has a good idea of what computers can and can't >>do, in general. And, in general, _all_ have the same basic weaknesses... Some >>moreso than others of course. > >The games you played against him are not the important tournament games that he >plays against Rebel. > >He boought Rebel Century few weeks before the match in order to learn about it's >weaknesses. > >He could simply download Crafty or use anohter program that he has >if his target was only to play anti-computer chess. > >Uri He has _done_ that. He plays _lots_ of computer games on the server. He has played matches against computers in fact, for amusement. Other GMs have done the same (Shirov comes to mind but there are lots of others). You can play any of several computers and begin to get an idea of what computers can and can't do well...
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