Author: Uri Blass
Date: 07:10:34 02/21/02
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On February 21, 2002 at 09:06:32, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On February 21, 2002 at 07:44:34, Uri Blass wrote: >>computer programs cannot be a pawn down with no compensation after their 17's >>move without a tactical mistake that they can avoid at longer time control. > >of course they can. >normally BIG OPENING BOOKS, used in computer-computer competitions >HIDE this fact. I do not say that they cannot be a pawn down with no compensation after their 17'th move but only that it is because of a tactical mistake and I believe that better hardware or better search rules can save them from their tactical mistakes. It cannot save them forever from losses but I believe that they can at least avoid losing material in less than 18 moves. >Instead of showing this lacks, the programs automatically >play sequences out of both big books, that let them >jump into move 25-30. > >This is ONE of the reason WE BELIEVE (and i see you are such a believer >too) todays chess programs have made a big progress. >nonsense. >Van Wely did something very senseful: trying to throw the opponent out >of its BIG book. I agree that it is logical to throw the computer out of it's big book but I expect that the result is not going to be winning material in the first 20 moves in most of the cases. I do not say that this strategy cannot help the best GM's to win against the programs. > > >>The question is what was the tactical mistake and how much faster should be the >>hardware of Rebel in order to avoid the same tactical mistake that Rebel did? > >other programs would not have played better. >Thats the problem. >And i think there will no other way to solve it than to >program more intelligent chess programs. > >instead of fighting stupid automatic games in the ssdf-list. Other programs suggest different moves so I do not agree that other programs would not have played better in that position. Uri
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