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Subject: Re: Lets give different program a chance to solve the drawing move.

Author: Martin Giepmans

Date: 11:29:09 02/22/02

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On February 22, 2002 at 13:46:25, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 22, 2002 at 13:31:45, Martin Giepmans wrote:
>
>>On February 22, 2002 at 12:26:19, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>In the 4th game between GM Van Wely Vs Rebel Century 4, if we set up the
>>>position after the 42th move and allow different programs to continue the game
>>>using the same time as was left in the actual game. How many programs can find
>>>the correct continuation to draw this game?
>>>
>>>[D]3r3k/5p1p/1p1P1P2/p7/P2RNKP1/1P6/7r/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>
>>I wonder if there is a draw.
>>White threatens Rc4, d7 and Rc8.
>>Passive defence (Kg8 and Rh2-h1-d1) is met with Ke4-d5-c6
>>and/or again Rc4.
>>Looks bad.
>>What else? maybe h5!?
>>
>>Martin
>
>
>Yace without previous learning can see nothing and goes for the line Kg8 Ke5 Rc2
>Rc4 rxc4 that is only changing the order of moves of Rebel.
>
>New game - Junior 7
>[D]3r3k/5p1p/1p1P1P2/p7/P2RNKP1/1P6/7r/8 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>
>44...Kg8 45.d7 Kf8 46.Ng5 Rh4 47.Ne4
>  ²  (0.40)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  54kN
>44...Kg8 45.b4 Re2 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Kf3 Re1
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  54kN
>44...Kg8 45.Rc4 Rh3 46.b4 Rd3 47.bxa5 bxa5
>  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  164kN
>44...Kg8 45.b4 axb4 46.Rxb4 Ra2 47.Rc4 Kf8 48.d7 h5 49.Rc8
>  ²  (0.35)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  441kN
>44...h5 45.Kg3 Rh1 46.Kg2 Rh4 47.Ng5 Rd7 48.Rd3
>  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  441kN
>44...h5 45.Kg3 Rh1 46.gxh5 Rxh5 47.d7 Kg8 48.Kg4 Re5 49.Kg3
>  =  (0.20)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  441kN
>44...h5 45.gxh5 Rxh5 46.Rc4 Kh7 47.Rc6 Rh4+ 48.Kg5 Rxe4 49.Rxb6
>  =  (0.13)   Depth: 9   00:00:06  1235kN
>44...h5 45.gxh5 Rxh5 46.Rc4 Kh7 47.Rc6 Rh4+ 48.Kf5 Rh5+ 49.Kg4 Re5 50.Kf3 Rde8
>51.d7 Rd8
>  =  (0.16)   Depth: 10   00:00:13  2528kN
>44...h5 45.d7 Kh7 46.Ng5+ Kg6 47.Nf3 Rf2 48.Rd6 hxg4 49.Kxg4 Re2 50.Nh4+ Kh7
>51.Nf5 Rh2
>  =  (0.24)   Depth: 11   00:00:36  7967kN
>44...h5 45.d7 Rh4 46.Nf2 hxg4 47.Nxg4 Kg8 48.Rd6 Kh8 49.Kg5 Rh1 50.Ne5 Rg1+
>51.Kf4 Rf1+ 52.Kg4 Rg1+ 53.Kf5
>  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 12   00:00:54  13836kN
>44...h5 45.d7 Rh4 46.Nf2 hxg4 47.Nxg4 Kh7 48.Ke5 Kg6 49.Kd6 Kf5 50.Kc7 Rxg4
>51.Rxg4 Rxd7+ 52.Kxd7
>  ²  (0.45)   Depth: 13   00:01:57  29664kN
>44...Kg8 45.b4 axb4 46.Rxb4 Ra2 47.Rxb6 Rxa4 48.Rb7 h5 49.gxh5 Rxd6 50.Rb8+ Kh7
>51.Rb7 Rxf6+ 52.Kg3
>  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 13   00:02:46  39268kN
>44...Kg8 45.Ke5 Rc2 46.Rc4 Rxc4 47.bxc4 Kf8 48.c5 bxc5 49.Nxc5 Re8+ 50.Kd4 Re2
>51.d7 Re1 52.d8Q+ Re8
>  ²  (0.45)   Depth: 13   00:03:12  46954kN
>44...h5 45.d7 Rh4 46.Nf2 hxg4 47.Nxg4 Kh7 48.Ke5 Kg6 49.Kd6 Kf5 50.Kc7 Rxg4
>51.Rxg4 Rxd7+ 52.Kxd7
>  ²  (0.45)   Depth: 13   00:03:12  46954kN
>44...h6 45.d7 Rc2 46.Ke5 Rc7 47.Nf2
>  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 13   00:04:45  68435kN
>44...h6 45.Ke5 Rc2 46.Rc4 Re2 47.b4 Kg8 48.bxa5 bxa5 49.Rc7 Re8+ 50.Re7 Kf8
>51.Kd5
>  ²  (0.35)   Depth: 13   00:06:40  97297kN
>44...h6 45.Nd2 Kg8 46.d7 Rf2+ 47.Nf3 Rb2 48.Nd2
>  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 14   00:08:14  127930kN
>44...Kg8 45.Ke5 Rc2 46.Rc4 Rxc4 47.bxc4 Kf8 48.c5 bxc5 49.Nxc5 Re8+ 50.Kf5
>  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 14   00:10:24  154320kN
>44...Kg8 45.Ke5 Rc2 46.Rc4 Rxc4 47.bxc4 Kf8 48.c5 bxc5 49.Nxc5 Re8+ 50.Kf4 Re2
>51.d7 Rf2+ 52.Ke5 Rxf6 53.d8Q+ Kg7
>  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 14   00:10:35  156325kN
>44...Kg8 45.Ke5 Rc2 46.Rc4 Rxc4 47.bxc4 Kf8 48.c5 bxc5 49.Nxc5 Re8+ 50.Kd4 h6
>51.d7 Rd8 52.Ke5 Kg8 53.Kf5 Kf8
>  ²  (0.62)   Depth: 15   00:13:59  213844kN
>44...h6 45.Nd2
>  ²  (0.61)   Depth: 15   00:14:58  232405kN
>44...h6 45.Nd2 h5 46.Nf3 Rh1 47.d7 hxg4
>  ²  (0.51)   Depth: 15   00:18:20  296222kN
>44...h6 45.Nd2 Kh7 46.d7 Re2 47.Nc4 Re6
>  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 16   00:31:15  521532kN
>44...Kg8 45.Ke5 Rc2 46.Rc4 Rxc4 47.bxc4 Kf8 48.d7 Rxd7 49.Ng5
>  ²  (0.69)   Depth: 16   00:37:40  625382kN
>44...Kg8 45.Ke5 Rc2 46.Rc4 Rxc4 47.bxc4 Kf8 48.c5 bxc5
>  ²  (0.67)   Depth: 16   00:42:11  687348kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 22.02.2002)


SpiderChess prefers h6, but is not happy.
(score is from black's viewpoint)

05  00:00:00  - 1.19  H2-B2 D4-D3 D8-D7 G4-G5 B2-C2
06  00:00:00  - 1.11  H2-B2 E4-D2 H8-G8 D6-D7 B2-C2 G4-G5
    00:00:00  - 1.01  H7-H5 D6-D7 H2-H4 E4-F2 H4-H2 D4-D2
07  00:00:00  - 1.10  H7-H5 E4-G5 H2-F2 F4-G3 F2xF6 G4xH5 H8-G7 D6-D7
    00:00:00  - 1.07  H2-B2 D4-D3 D8-D7 G4-G5 H8-G8 F4-E5 G8-F8
08  00:00:00  - 1.19  H2-B2 D4-D3 D8-D7 D3-C3 D7-D8 G4-G5 H8-G8 F4-E5
    00:00:00  - 1.12  H2-C2 D4-D5 H8-G8 G4-G5 D8-D7 D5-B5 D7-B7 F4-E5
09  00:00:02  - 1.13  H2-C2 D4-D5 H8-G8 D5-G5 G8-F8 G5-G7 H7-H6 F4-E5 C2-B2
                      G7-H7 B2xB3 H7xH6
10  00:00:05  - 1.13  H2-C2 D4-D5 H8-G8 G4-G5 C2-C1 D5-B5 C1-F1 F4-E3 F1-E1
                      E3-F4 E1xE4 F4xE4 D8xD6
11  00:00:15  - 1.13  H2-C2 D4-D5 H8-G8 G4-G5 C2-C1 D5-B5 C1-F1 F4-E3 F1-E1
                      E3-F3 E1xE4 F3xE4 D8xD6
    00:00:29  - 1.11  H7-H6 B3-B4 H2-C2 B4xA5 B6xA5 F4-E3 C2-C1 D4-D5 C1-E1
                      E3-F3 E1-F1 F3-E2 F1-F4
12  00:00:58  - 1.09  H7-H6 D4-C4 H2-B2 C4-C7 B2xB3 G4-G5 B3-B4 G5xH6 B4xA4
                      C7xF7 B6-B5 F4-E5
13  00:02:18  - 1.10  H7-H6 D4-C4 H2-B2 C4-C7 B2xB3 G4-G5 B3-B4 G5xH6 H8-H7
                      C7xF7 H7xH6 F7-B7 B4xA4 B7xB6

If I play Rc2 in this position it finds Rc4 (instead of Rd5 in the PV)
in 30 seconds on my AMD 1200.

Martin



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