Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 22:14:12 02/25/02
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On February 26, 2002 at 00:09:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 25, 2002 at 15:34:43, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On February 25, 2002 at 15:08:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On February 25, 2002 at 13:17:22, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On February 25, 2002 at 10:35:00, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>I was recently in contact with Hsu, where I asked him if there was anyway that >>>>>he would either a.) sell the technology in DB or b.) donate this information to >>>>>someone (Hyatt comes to mind) who would put it to use and keep it safe from >>>>>being commercial use. >>>>> >>>>>Basically he told me he only bought the rights to rematch Kaspy (who refused). >>>>>And to keep IBM off his back, if he decided to make a Shogi engine. Period. No >>>>>other reasons. He will never sell/commercialize/donate/share his information. >>>>>Ever. >>>>> >>>>>What a terrible, terrible dissappointment. >>>> >>>>Not disappointment for me >>>>I guess that the thing is simply not strong enough. >>> >>>That is absolutely the _worst_ reasoning I have ever seen. Do you also >>>guess that when it rains when you have something planned, that the clouds >>>have something against you? >>> >>>It was strong enough to smash computer programs for a long while. It was >>>strong enough to beat kasparov in a 6 game match. I'll bet _other_ engine >>>authors wish theirs was "not that strong"... >> >>I said *is* not strong enough and not *was* not strong enough > >Hsu has already written that his chess chip in .18 micron would search around >30M nodes per second. I think everyone would find that plenty strong enough >since it is 15 times faster than quad boxes... 30M NPS and an EBF=4 will search a little less deeply as 1M NPS and EBF=3. At 2M NPS... > > > > >> >>> >>>IE they didn't win most every ACM event after 1986 because of of luck... >>> >>>> >>>>It is not clear if the result of deeper blue against kasparov is better than the >>>>result of Rebel against van wely if you remember that van wely trained a lot >>>>against rebel before the match when kasparov could not train against something >>>>similiar to deeper blue. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>There's _still_ quite a jump from van Wely to Kasparov... And van Wely wasn't >>>playing for a $1,000,000 prize either. >> >>I agree that kasparov is clearly better than van wely but van wely admitted that >>he trained by playing 100 games against Rebel and the question in comparing the >>results is how much elo you can get by preparing against a known computer and >>not only against computers. >> >>The 1000000$ prize did not help kasparov to play better. > >I disagree. It was a _strong_ motivation. I would work _much_ harder to >win 1M dollars than I would to win 1000. > > > > >> >>He played well in 4 of the games but in the games that he lost he did mistakes >>that he usually does not do against humans. >> >>Kasparov never resigned in a drawn position against humans and he simply >>believed that the machine is stonger than it's real strength(I guess that he >>believed that Qe3 cannot be a draw because the machine could not blunder to let >>him a tactical draw so he did not check it when it was clear that it had better >>position) >> >>Uri > > > >I won't try to speculate on what he did or didn't think. But your idea doesn't >make much sense. Why would he assume that some position was won, >and then assume that the machine wouldn't make a mistake and allow a perp by >Qe3? If that were true, wouldn't he have simply resigned at the start of the >game rather than playing on?
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