Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:02:19 02/26/02
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On February 26, 2002 at 06:13:21, Tony Werten wrote: >On February 25, 2002 at 04:50:14, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: > >>On February 25, 2002 at 04:26:45, Matthias Gemuh wrote: >> >>>On February 25, 2002 at 02:39:44, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >>> >>>>On February 22, 2002 at 16:10:44, John Merlino wrote: >>>> >>>>>The next version of Chessmaster is going to have an exercise in which you are >>>>>required to remember a position and then set it up on an empty board. Your >>>>>thoughts on designing this exercise would be appreciated. Here's what we have >>>>>now: >>>>> >>>>>Beginner -- 4-8 pieces (men), always a legal position >>>>>Intermediate -- 8-16 pieces (men), always a legal position >>>>>Advanced -- 12-20 pieces, completely random (and possibly illegal) position >>>> >>>>I don't think this should be random positions. >>>>These more random and less chess the position is, tyhe differences between the >>>>advanced and the beginner will be smaller. >>>> >>>>I think you should get this position from real games to ensure that the position >>>>is logical so that chess-memory is tested/trained. >>>> >>>>Odd Gunnar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>And who wants to memorize illegal positions ? >>> >> >>I read somewhere about a test with players on this theme. I don't remembere >>where (Tisdall?). > >It was a test done by De Groot to get an idea how the brain of a chessplayer >works. ie The difference between an amateur and a grandmaster. > >With a random position (a dice was used) the difference was very small. I >remember seeing Euwe trying to recreate a random position, throwing all pieces >on the board, saying "this is nonsense" and refusing to continue. I am surprised that GM's are not clearly better in memorizing random positions because I thought that better memory that is not only about chess is one of the advantage of the best players. I read that bobby fisher could remember 2 sentences in a languange that he did not understand. The story that I read is that bobby fisher tried to get player A in the phone(I do not remember his name and the country that he lived because my memory is not good as bobby fisher's memory) player A was not at home and his daughter replied in a language that fisher did not know. Bobby fisher remebered the exact answer when he did not understand a word out of it and asked another player from the same country for a translation. Uri
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