Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 12:54:55 02/28/02
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On February 28, 2002 at 12:14:38, Mike Hood wrote: >On February 27, 2002 at 21:44:42, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On February 27, 2002 at 17:13:12, Mike Hood wrote: >> >>>On February 26, 2002 at 18:57:02, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On February 26, 2002 at 17:21:31, Torstein Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 26, 2002 at 15:31:57, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 26, 2002 at 15:12:23, Torstein Hall wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 26, 2002 at 14:41:03, Bernardo Wesler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Can anyone help me to configure the best engine parameters for fritz 7 and blitz >>>>>>>>5 min games? >>>>>>>>Thx >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm not sure if this is easy to improve, but in my view F7 gives away the bishop >>>>>>>to fast so I like to improve Bishop values a little. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Torstein >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>That is easy to improve, simply assign a value to the bishop a little bit higher >>>>>>than the knight. >>>>> >>>>>The hard part is to know if it is really an improvment. >>>>> >>>>>Torstein >>>> >>>> >>>>I Have been testing my settings of Fritz 7 on two different AMD computers and my >>>>settings is scoring a little bit higher. >>>> >>>>AMD Athlon 1.2 Ghz Settings: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ Settings: >>>> >>>>Contemp value = 15 Contemp value = 15 >>>> >>>>Selectivity = 2 Selectivity = 2 >>>> >>>>Tablebase depth = 3 Tablebase dep = 3 >>>> >>>>Futility Pruning = On Futility Pruning = On >>>> >>>>Aggressiveness = 2 Aggressiveness = 2 >>>> >>>>Value Computer Queen = 95 Default >>>> >>>>Value Computer Rook = 50 Default >>>> >>>>Value Computer Bishop = 33 Default >>>> >>>>Value Computer Knight = 32 Default >>>> >>>>Value Computer pawn = 10 Default >>>> >>>>The difference in these two computers are not too noticeable, but the slower AMD >>>>Athlon 1.2Ghz won a short match of 15 games by a small margin of 2 games at G/30 >>>>blitz. >>>> >>>>Jorge >>> >>>The default values of the engine parameters for the piece values in Fritz 7 are >>>all zero. I had always assumed it was an offset, so it could be set to plus or >>>minus values, but it seems as if you've been setting values in decipawn units, >>>based on the traditional piece values (9,5,3,3,1). There doesn't seem to be a >>>description included with Fritz 7 itself, unless I've missed something? >> >> >>The problem with the traditional piece values of (9,5,3,3,1) is that it becomes >>impossible to give the bishop a little bit more weight than the knight; >>for instance, to give the bishop a 4 would be a terrible mistake in comparison >>to the pawn's value and it doesn't represent the bishop in proportion to the >>knight. >> >>Jorge > >Thanks, Jorge, but my query was actually about something else. How did you know >that you had to set the piece values to Q=95, R=50, B=33, N=32, P=10, instead of >something like Q=-10, R=0, B=5, N=-5, P=0 ? You could leave it like most programs Q=9, R=5, B=3, N3, P=1, but I just wanted different values for the pieces. Anyway I am still not concinced that these are the best settings for fritz 7, since Shredder 6.0 CB is holding Fritz 7 even so far in my mini match of 10 games that I started today. Fritz 7 (2710) - Shredder 6 (2715) [E61] Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/40+60'/20+30' My Place (1), 28.02.2002 W=15.3 ply; 689kN/s B=14.8 ply; 280kN/s 1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.Nc3 0-0 5.Bg5 d6 6.e3 h6 7.Bh4 c5 8.Be2 e5 9.dxe5 Both last book move 9...dxe5 1.26/13 39 10.Qxd8 1.03/14 2:59 Rxd8 1.19/13 21 11.Nxe5 (Bxf6) 1.06/14 3:06 11...Re8 (Na6) 1.37/13 6:42 12.Nd3 (0-0-0) 1.19/15 4:20 12...Ne4 1.27/15 7:13 13.Nb5 (Nd5) 1.16/15 4:48 13...Na6 1.42/15 4:16 14.f3 1.19/15 4:28 Ng5 (Nf6) 1.39/14 3:30 15.Kf2 (Bf2) 1.34/14 3:37 15...b6 (Be6) 1.54/14 4:06 16.Rad1 (Rhd1) 1.41/14 5:05 16...Bd7 1.42/13 3:21 17.Nd6 1.47/14 2:52 Red8 1.87/14 7:03 18.Bg3 (f4) 1.56/15 6:08 18...Bc6 (Be6) 1.94/13 5:44 19.h4 (b3) 1.97/15 3:17 19...Ne6 2.01/14 4:32 20.h5 (Ne5) 2.03/14 3:00 20...g5 (Ba4) 1.93/14 3:26 21.Ne5 (Nf5) 2.03/15 5:32 21...Be8 2.48/15 9:15 22.Ng4 (Nf5) 2.13/15 5:29 22...Nb4 2.68/14 5:15 23.Be5 2.03/14 3:59 Nxa2 2.55/13 2:49 24.Nf5 (Bxg7) 1.94/14 3:31 24...Bxe5 2.63/14 3:07 25.Nxe5 1.94/14 1:11 Rxd1 2.43/14 2:49 26.Rxd1 2.06/14 48 Kh7 2.51/15 3:06 27.Ng4 (Nd7) 2.09/15 2:24 27...Ba4 (Nb4) 2.83/16 3:42 28.Ra1 2.28/15 2:00 Bb3 (Bc2) 3.08/15 2:42 29.Nfxh6 2.66/14 1:31 Nb4 (Kg7) 3.50/14 5:23 30.Nxf7 3.03/15 3:31 Bc2 (a5) 4.27/14 2:31 31.Nfe5 3.22/15 5:27 a5 4.44/14 2:27 32.Rh1 3.19/15 5:32 Rf8 4.65/15 3:50 33.Nd7 3.31/16 7:02 Rd8 4.82/15 3:10 34.Nxb6 (h6) 3.31/14 3:15 34...Nd3+ 4.80/15 5:20 35.Bxd3+ 4.00/15 2:26 Rxd3 4.74/14 2:08 36.Nd7 4.16/15 3:37 Kh8 4.98/14 1:28 37.Nge5 (Nde5) 5.03/16 4:33 37...Rd2+ 5.37/12 20 38.Kg3 5.03/16 3:50 Bf5 (a4) 6.24/15 3:30 39.Ra1 (h6) 5.63/15 3:10 39...Kg7 7.67/14 4:19 40.Rxa5 6.03/14 57 Rxb2 (Re2) 7.73/12 37 41.Ra7 6.84/14 1:03 Nd8 8.73/15 4:07 42.e4 7.41/14 1:09 Be6 8.85/15 2:57 1-0 Shredder 6 (2715) - Fritz 7 (2710) [E61] Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/40+60'/20+30' My Place (2), 28.02.2002 W=16.5 ply; 318kN/s B=15.8 ply; 687kN/s 1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.Nc3 0-0 5.Bg5 d6 6.e3 h6 7.Bh4 c5 8.Be2 e5 9.dxe5 Both last book move 9...dxe5 1.03/15 4:32 10.Qxd8 1.39/15 4:47 Rxd8 1.03/14 59 11.Nxe5 1.31/15 3:37 Na6 (Be6) 1.06/13 2:42 12.Rd1 (a3) 1.36/14 10:02 12...Rxd1+ 0.97/14 5:38 13.Kxd1 1.49/15 5:05 Bf5 1.03/14 4:18 14.g4 1.72/15 4:22 Be6 1.16/14 5:10 15.Kc1 1.70/14 3:40 Re8 (Nh7) 1.16/14 4:35 16.Rd1 1.49/14 4:26 Bc8 1.28/14 5:55 17.Bg3 (f4) 1.64/14 7:47 17...h5 (Nb4) 1.41/14 4:19 18.h3 1.63/13 1:29 hxg4 (Nb4) 1.53/14 4:45 19.hxg4 1.70/12 14 Nc7 (Nb4) 1.62/14 6:15 20.Nxf7 2.04/15 3:56 Kxf7 1.28/16 5:13 21.Bxc7 1.25/15 2:33 Bxg4 1.34/15 4:26 22.f3 (Bxg4) 2.24/15 4:19 22...Bh3 1.31/14 4:52 23.e4 (Rh1) 2.20/14 3:09 23...Rh8 (b6) 1.31/13 3:05 24.Kc2 (Rh1) 2.27/15 6:30 24...Be6 (b6) 1.37/14 3:14 25.b3 (Nd5) 2.38/14 3:45 25...b6 (Rh4) 1.34/14 4:01 26.Nb5 2.52/13 1:06 Ne8 (Ra8) 1.44/15 3:19 27.Bf4 (Bb8) 2.78/15 3:16 27...Nf6 1.56/15 6:31 28.a3 2.75/14 2:16 a6 (Bd7) 1.72/14 4:39 29.Nc7 3.05/15 1:45 Bc8 (Nh5) 1.91/15 4:42 30.Na8 3.00/15 3:56 Nd7 1.78/15 2:35 31.Bc7 2.76/14 54 Nf8 1.91/16 5:22 32.Nxb6 2.66/16 3:40 Ne6 1.94/15 2:30 33.Bd6 2.75/16 4:27 a5 (Nd4+) 2.00/14 4:56 34.Rd3 3.18/15 4:25 Bb7 1.84/13 2:07 35.Nd5 3.14/14 3:22 g5 1.75/13 2:12 36.Kd2 2.96/15 8:43 Rd8 1.75/13 1:43 37.Bg3 3.02/15 2:28 Bd4 (Bb2) 1.75/13 1:24 38.Ne3 3.23/12 8 Bb2 1.87/14 2:12 39.Rxd8 3.27/16 1:56 Nxd8 1.87/13 12 40.Nc2 (Bc7) 3.32/16 2:47 40...Ne6 1.91/14 1:08 41.b4 3.32/16 2:07 cxb4 (g4) 1.97/15 2:39 42.axb4 3.13/13 11 axb4 2.06/16 6:10 43.Nxb4 3.19/15 1:12 Bd4 1.91/15 2:25 44.Kd3 3.26/16 3:32 Bg1 (Bb2) 2.06/16 3:38 45.Nd5 3.37/15 1:18 Bc8 (Nc5+) 2.09/16 5:41 46.Bd6 3.32/15 5:27 Bf2 2.16/16 4:35 47.Kd2 (f4) 3.34/15 2:28 47...Nc5 2.12/15 2:39 48.Be7 3.27/16 4:02 Kg6 (Ne6) 2.16/15 4:10 49.Kc3 3.37/15 4:41 Bd7 (Bb7) 2.22/15 9:14 50.Nc7 3.48/15 2:42 Nb7 (Bh3) 2.31/14 1:29 51.Nd5 (e5) 3.52/15 3:14 51...Nc5 0.00/19 1:09 52.Nc7 3.41/15 4:16 Nb7 (Bh3) 0.00/16 1:25 53.Bd1 3.47/15 3:07 Na5 2.25/14 1:25 54.Nd5 3.56/15 3:12 Be1+ (Nc6) 2.34/14 2:11 55.Kd3 3.67/13 12 Bg3 (Bf2) 2.37/15 3:23 56.Be2 (Bf6) 3.63/14 2:38 56...Bc8 (Nc6) 2.25/14 1:26 57.Bb4 3.51/16 4:24 Nc6 2.31/16 3:15 58.Ne7+ (Bc3) 3.47/18 5:00 58...Nxe7 2.47/17 1:11 59.Bxe7 3.51/20 1:04 Be5 (Bf4) 2.47/16 1:06 60.Bd8 (Ke3) 3.75/19 3:57 60...Ba6 (Bb2) 2.56/15 42 61.Bd1 (Ke3) 3.87/18 52 61...Kh6 (Bf6) 2.72/16 1:12 62.Ba4 4.30/17 40 Kh5 (Bc8) 2.84/15 45 63.Bb5 4.48/18 35 Bc8 3.06/17 57 64.c5 4.48/17 33 Kh4 3.06/16 49 65.Ke2 (c6) 4.49/17 34 65...Bf4 2.97/16 1:27 66.c6 (Bf6) 4.52/18 1:04 66...Be5 (Kh5) 3.16/16 44 67.Bc4 4.93/17 45 Kh5 3.25/16 1:02 68.Bf7+ 5.12/16 15 Kh6 3.19/16 1:15 69.Be8 5.12/16 31 Ba6+ 3.75/16 51 70.Kf2 5.32/18 36 Bb5 3.94/16 42 71.Kg2 (Bd7) 5.33/17 39 71...Bc4 (Bf4) 4.19/15 32 72.Bd7 5.59/16 30 Kg6 (Be2) 4.56/16 1:36 73.Bc8 5.63/17 47 Kh6 (Kh5) 4.28/15 28 74.c7 5.84/15 8 Bf4 4.94/16 35 75.Kh3 6.20/17 27 Bb5 (Kg7) 5.34/16 25 76.Kg4 6.66/17 29 Bc6 (Kg7) 5.69/16 25 77.Be6 6.83/18 37 Bxc7 6.09/18 36 78.Bxc7 7.14/18 14 Be8 6.84/18 41 79.f4 7.92/20 33 gxf4 (Bh5+) 5.72/15 29 80.Kxf4 8.88/21 53 Kg7 (Bg6) 6.22/16 27 81.e5 8.91/17 40 Bb5 (Bc6) 6.50/16 20 82.Kg5 9.07/20 28 Bc6 7.72/16 36 83.Bb3 (Bc4) 9.88/20 1:08 83...Bg2 (Bd7) 7.84/16 20 84.e6 #17/16 46 Bc6 7.94/15 15 85.Be5+ 16.40/17 1:29 Kg8 (Kf8) 13.47/15 16 1-0 Fritz 7 (2710) - Shredder 6 (2715) [B52] Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/40+60'/20+30' My Place (3), 28.02.2002 W=17.9 ply; 657kN/s B=18.1 ply; 328kN/s 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bxd7+ Qxd7 5.c4 Nc6 6.Nc3 Nf6 7.0-0 g6 8.d4 cxd4 9.Nxd4 Bg7 10.Nde2 0-0 11.f3 a6 12.a4 Qd8 13.Be3 Nd7 14.b3 Nc5 15.Rb1 Rc8 16.Qd2 Na5 17.Qa2 Nc6 18.Rfd1 Qa5 19.Qd2 Nd7 Both last book move 20.b4 0.84/15 6:46 Qd8 1.19/14 7:05 21.c5 0.94/14 4:07 Nde5 (Nce5) 1.26/14 7:43 22.cxd6 (Qc1) 1.13/14 6:23 22...exd6 1.15/14 4:11 23.Qd5 1.06/14 4:36 Qc7 (Qe8) 0.97/14 5:24 24.b5 (Qa2) 1.22/15 6:54 24...Ne7 0.93/15 5:49 25.Qxd6 1.22/15 4:39 Qxd6 1.14/14 4:01 26.Rxd6 1.22/14 1:32 Nc4 1.14/14 5:03 27.Rd3 1.19/15 6:57 Nxe3 0.94/14 4:38 28.Rxe3 1.19/14 1:13 Rfd8 0.99/15 4:22 29.bxa6 1.09/14 7:48 bxa6 1.24/15 7:51 30.Rb7 0.97/15 12:04 Bf8 1.20/14 4:09 31.Kf1 0.88/15 4:24 Rc4 1.30/16 7:19 32.f4 1.03/15 8:13 Nc6 1.24/15 5:08 33.g4 0.97/14 5:39 Bc5 1.17/14 8:46 34.Rh3 1.00/14 6:47 Kg7 1.09/14 4:10 35.g5 0.97/14 4:55 Nd4 (Rc8) 0.96/13 4:46 36.Rd3 0.94/15 4:28 Ne6 0.79/15 3:25 37.Rxd8 0.91/15 3:50 Nxd8 0.72/13 21 38.Rc7 (Rb8) 1.03/17 3:32 38...Ne6 0.89/17 5:57 39.Rc6 0.94/17 3:15 Nxf4 (a5) 0.83/16 4:00 40.Nxf4 0.91/17 3:48 Rxc3 0.62/18 6:58 41.Nd5 0.84/16 4:01 Rc1+ 0.69/16 4:46 42.Ke2 0.81/17 4:07 Be3 0.70/17 4:15 43.Rxc1 0.78/18 3:40 Bxc1 0.65/18 45 44.h4 (Nb4) 0.75/18 3:23 44...Ba3 0.32/18 2:49 45.Kf3 0.69/18 4:11 Bb2 (Bd6) 0.16/19 3:24 46.Nb4 (Kf4) 0.59/18 3:06 46...a5 0.10/21 5:10 47.Nc6 0.56/20 6:15 Bc3 0.08/20 1:45 48.e5 (Ke3) 0.50/19 2:25 48...Kf8 (h5) -0.21/21 2:45 49.Ke4 (Ke3) 0.44/20 3:08 49...Be1 0.00/20 2:36 50.Kd5 0.31/20 3:10 Ke8 0.00/21 3:09 51.Kd6 0.44/20 2:38 Bc3 0.00/20 2:16 52.Kc7 (Kc5) 0.34/20 3:27 52...Be1 0.00/21 2:41 53.Nd4 (Kd6) 0.00/19 2:25 53...Bxh4 (Bc3) -0.84/21 3:47 54.Nf3 -0.09/21 2:22 Bf2 -0.89/21 1:38 55.Kc6 0.00/21 2:36 Ke7 (Be3) -0.81/21 2:48 56.Kb5 0.00/21 3:01 Ke6 -0.65/21 3:11 57.Kxa5 0.13/20 2:36 Kf5 -0.24/21 6:21 58.Kb5 (Ka6) 0.19/19 2:37 58...Be3 -0.55/20 3:38 59.a5 0.00/19 3:07 Kg4 -0.23/20 3:35 60.Ne1 0.00/19 2:27 Kxg5 0.00/18 1:01 61.Nd3 0.00/17 51 Ba7 0.00/18 50 62.Ka6 0.00/18 39 Bd4 (Bg1) 0.00/18 24 63.Kb5 0.00/18 56 Ba7 0.00/19 1:24 64.Ka6 Draw accepted 0.00/19 44 ½-½
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