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Subject: Re: Can black hold this position

Author: Bertil Eklund

Date: 13:07:57 02/28/02

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On February 28, 2002 at 15:41:00, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On February 28, 2002 at 15:00:03, Les Fernandez wrote:
>
>>[D]8/4b1k1/R5pp/2p1pp2/1pQq4/1P1P3P/1P3PPK/8 w - -
>>
>>
>>I am interested to know if the above position can be held by black.  White is
>>short on time but can force perpetual by Qe6.  Although a rook is better then a
>>bishop, most of the time, should white exchange queens here?  I am only an
>>average player but after doing a little analysis on this position Crafty reports
>>the following on a fairly slow machine. (Pentium 350, 256 mb ram)
>>
>>8/4b1k1/R5pp/2p1pp2/1pQq4/1P1P3P/1P3PPK/8 w - - acd 15; acn 170618898; acs 900;
>>ce 155; pv Kg1 Qxc4 bxc4 h5 g3 Kf7 Kg2 Bf6 Rc6 Be7 Kf3 g5;
>>
>>Although white is reported to have a 1.55 advantage after Kg1 I wonder if the
>>position can be held by black.  I also took a look at the position with white
>>taking the queen and the ce still appeared about the same with black capturing
>>white queen with cxd4.
>>
>>8/4b1k1/R5pp/2p1pp2/1p1Q4/1P1P3P/1P3PPK/8 b - - acd 17; acn 186582676; acs 902;
>>ce -151; pv cxd4 Kg3 Kf7 Kf3 h5 Rc6 Bf6 Rb6 Be7 g3 Bf8 h4 Be7;
>>
>>Question is with queens off the board can the white rook start chopping up the
>>black pawns while the black bishop exists? Can someone run this on better
>>hardware and tkae it a bit deeper to see what falls out?
>
>Yace settles in on a similar idea:
>usetime = 998.00, mintime = 998.00 maxtime = 998.00 tl 998.00 ml 0
>         8   0.000   1.02  1t  1.Qxd4 cxd4 {150}
>        28   0.001   1.30  1t  1.Ra7 {150}
>        61   0.001   1.30  1.  1.Ra7 {150}
>       149   0.002   1.18  2t  1.Ra7 Kf6 {150}
>       350   0.002   1.20  2t+ 1.Qe6 Bd6 {150}
>       413   0.008   1.35  2t  1.Qe6 Qf4+ 2.Kg1 {150}
>       888   0.009   1.35  2.  1.Qe6 Qf4+ 2.Kg1 {150}
>      1028   0.010   0.07  3-- 1.Qe6 Qf4+ 2.g3 Qxf2+ 3.Kh1 Qf3+ 4.Kh2 {70}
>      1170   0.011   0.07  3t  1.Qe6 Qf4+ 2.g3H Qxf2+H 3.Kh1H Qf3+H 4.Kh2H {70}
>      1212   0.011   0.08  3t+ 1.Ra7 Kf6 {150}
>      1556   0.012   1.22  3t  1.Ra7 Kf6 2.Qa6+ Bd6 {150}
>      3482   0.016   1.22  3.  1.Ra7 Kf6 2.Qa6+ Bd6 {150}
>      4703   0.020   1.14  4t  1.Ra7 Kf6 2.Qa6+ Kf7 3.Qb7 {150}
>      7910   0.026   1.15  4t+ 1.f3 Qf4+ 2.Qxf4 Kf7
>      9199   0.031   1.25  4t  1.f3 Qf4+ 2.Qxf4 exf4 3.Re6 {150}
>     10258   0.033   1.25  4.  1.f3 Qf4+ 2.Qxf4 exf4 3.Re6 {150}
>     20183   0.058   1.17  5t  1.f3 h5 2.Ra7 Kf6 3.Qa6+ Bd6 {150}
>     53718   0.134   1.17  5.  1.f3 h5 2.Ra7 Kf6 3.Qa6+ Bd6 {150}
>     61167   0.151   1.11  6t  1.f3 h5 2.Ra7 Kf6 3.Qa6+ Bd6 4.Kh1 {150}
>     68904   0.169   1.12  6t+ 1.Ra7 Kf6 2.Kg1 Qxb2 3.Qh4+ Kg7 4.Rxe7+ Kh8
>                               {420}
>     73082   0.181   1.17  6t  1.Ra7 Kf6 2.Kg1 h5 3.Qa6+ Bd6 4.Kf1 {150}
>    129101   0.303   1.17  6.  1.Ra7 Kf6 2.Kg1 h5 3.Qa6+ Bd6 4.Kf1 {150}
>    168103   0.396   1.31  7t  1.Ra7 Kf6 2.Kg1 Qxc4 3.bxc4 h5 4.Ra6+ Kf7 5.f3
>                               {150}
>    254112   0.593   1.32  7t+ 1.Kg1 Qxb2 2.Ra7 Qb1+ 3.Kh2 Kf6 4.Qh4+ Kf7
>                               5.Rxe7+ Kf8 {420}
>    324240   0.751   1.41  7t  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.f3 Kf7 4.b3 Bd8 {150}
>    355969   0.815   1.41  7.  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.f3 Kf7 4.b3 Bd8 {150}
>    492890   1.111   1.40  8t  1.Kg1 Qd7 2.Re6 Bf6 3.Qa6H Qf7H 4.Qc6H h5H {150}
>    709582   1.583   1.40  8.  1.Kg1 Qd7 2.Re6 Bf6 3.Qa6 Qf7 4.Qc6 h5 {150}
>   1048412   2.314   1.40  9t  1.Kg1 Qd7 2.Re6 Bf6 3.Qa6 Qf7 4.Qc6 h5 5.Kf1
>                               {150}
>   1678765   3.711   1.40  9.  1.Kg1 Qd7 2.Re6 Bf6 3.Qa6 Qf7 4.Qc6 h5 5.Kf1
>                               {150}
>   2605396   5.839   1.44 10t  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.f3 Bg5 4.Kf2 Kf7 5.b3H
>                               Bf4H 6.Ke2H {150}
>   4800515  10.894   1.44 10.  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.f3 Bg5 4.Kf2 Kf7 5.b3
>                               Bf4 6.Ke2 {150}
>   8080452  18.345   1.50 11t  1.Kg1 Qd7 2.Re6 Bf6 3.Qa6 Qf7 4.Qd6H Bg5H
>                               5.Rxe5H f4H {HT} {230}
>  13138812  30.432   1.50 11.  1.Kg1 Qd7 2.Re6 Bf6 3.Qa6 Qf7 4.Qd6 Bg5 5.Rxe5
>                               f4 {HT} {230}
>  20160577  46.727   1.52 12t  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.f3 Kf7 4.Kf2 Bf6 5.b3H
>                               Bg5H {HT}
>  35385686  1:24.5   1.52 12.  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.f3 Kf7 4.Kf2 Bf6 5.b3 Bg5
>  47617005  1:53.1   1.58 13t  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.Kf1 Kf7 4.b3 Bf6 5.f3
>                               Bg5 6.Ke2H {150}
>  85961847  3:29.7   1.58 13.  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.Kf1 Kf7 4.b3 Bf6 5.f3
>                               Bg5 6.Ke2 {150}
> 114580177  4:38.9   1.59 14t  1.Kg1 Qxc4 2.bxc4 h5 3.Kf1 Kf7 4.b3 Bf6 5.Ke2
>                               Be7 6.Ra7 Ke6 7.Rxe7+H Kxe7H 8.f4H exf4H 9.Kf1H
>                               {HT} {-80}
Hi!

Century4 plays 3.g4(!) and for me it looks like black is in serious trouble.
So far the score gets up for every ply. A1200 200mb hash.

Bertil



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