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Subject: Re: Can black hold this position

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 15:12:56 02/28/02

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On February 28, 2002 at 15:00:03, Les Fernandez wrote:

>[D]8/4b1k1/R5pp/2p1pp2/1pQq4/1P1P3P/1P3PPK/8 w - -
>
>
>I am interested to know if the above position can be held by black.  White is
>short on time but can force perpetual by Qe6.  Although a rook is better then a
>bishop, most of the time, should white exchange queens here?  I am only an
>average player but after doing a little analysis on this position Crafty reports
>the following on a fairly slow machine. (Pentium 350, 256 mb ram)
>
>8/4b1k1/R5pp/2p1pp2/1pQq4/1P1P3P/1P3PPK/8 w - - acd 15; acn 170618898; acs 900;
>ce 155; pv Kg1 Qxc4 bxc4 h5 g3 Kf7 Kg2 Bf6 Rc6 Be7 Kf3 g5;
>
>Although white is reported to have a 1.55 advantage after Kg1 I wonder if the
>position can be held by black.  I also took a look at the position with white
>taking the queen and the ce still appeared about the same with black capturing
>white queen with cxd4.
>
>8/4b1k1/R5pp/2p1pp2/1p1Q4/1P1P3P/1P3PPK/8 b - - acd 17; acn 186582676; acs 902;
>ce -151; pv cxd4 Kg3 Kf7 Kf3 h5 Rc6 Bf6 Rb6 Be7 g3 Bf8 h4 Be7;
>
>Question is with queens off the board can the white rook start chopping up the
>black pawns while the black bishop exists? Can someone run this on better
>hardware and tkae it a bit deeper to see what falls out?

ChessMaster says trade the queens right now (which seems to be conventional
wisdom).

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	2/6	2.62	36117		1. Qxd4 cxd4 2. Ra7 Kf6 3. f3 Ke6
					4. Kg3
0:00	3/7	2.62	111666		1. Qxd4 cxd4 2. Kg3 Kf7 3. Kf3
					Bg5 4. Ra7+ Ke6 5. Rc7
0:01	3/8	2.70	299716		1. Qxd4 cxd4 2. Kg3 Kf7 3. Kf3
					Bg5 4. Rb6 Bd2 5. Rb7+ Ke6
0:05	4/9	2.68	921101		1. Qxd4 cxd4 2. Kg3 Kf7 3. Kf3
					h5 4. Ra7 Ke6 5. Rb7
0:26	5/10	2.73	4482781		1. Qxd4 cxd4 2. Kg3 Kf7 3. Kf3
					h5 4. Ra7 Ke6 5. g3 Bg5 6. h4
1:32	6/11	2.67	16186407	1. Qxd4 cxd4 2. Kg3 Kf7 3. Kf3
					h5 4. Rc6 g5 5. Rc7 g4+ 6. Kg3 Ke6
9:20	7/12	2.72	97134615	1. Qxd4 cxd4 2. Kg3 Kf7 3. Kf3
					h5 4. g3 h4 5. Ra7 hxg3 6. fxg3
					Ke6 7. Rc7



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