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Subject: Re: is there a better correspondence analysis than silly fritz5's

Author: blass uri

Date: 11:17:55 06/29/98

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On June 29, 1998 at 13:55:30, Komputer Korner wrote:

>On June 29, 1998 at 11:07:13, blass uri wrote:
>
>>Fritz5 has a function of correspondence analysis.
>>with this function Fritz5 generates a detailed analysis tree for a position.
>>I can decide how deep and broad the resulting tree should get and what
>>moves should be included or excluded from the analysis.
>>
>>in order to use the fritz5 correspondence analysis I give fritz5 some numbers:
>>1)time per move(it is time per node in the tree and it is not a good idea
>>because I want to give the computer more time to analyze the nodes near the root
>>because it is more important not to do a mistake in analysis near the root I
>>think the possibility to choose time per ply 1,time per ply 2,... is a better
>>idea)
>>
>>2)Branching:The branching factors for the 1st,2nd and 3rd moves define
>>how many alternative moves are given in the first ply,second ply and third ply
>>
>>3)Length of variation:This sets the length of analysed variations
>>
>>4)Evaluation window:This value ,given in 100ths of pawns,determine when
>>Fritz will discard a variation. If you set the value to 80, for instance,
>>then moves which are 0.8 pawns worse than the best move will not be investigated
>>any further-even if the branching factor would allow it.
>>
>>The main problem with the tree fritz5 generates is the fact fritz5
>>analyses illogical lines
>>
>>for example suppose the branching factors are 2 for the 1st ply 2 for the
>>second ply and 1 for the third ply
>>and the length of variation is 3
>>and the time number is 60 seconds per move
>>
>>Fritz5 can do the following tree
>>it is only an example(fritz5 did not generate this tree but generates trees
>>with the same mistake)
>>
>>line 1:1.e4 e5 Nf3 0.1 pawns for white
>>line 2:1.e4 c5 Nf3 0.2 pawns for white
>>line 3:1.d4 Nf6 c4 0.08 pawns for white
>>line 4:1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 0.04 pawns for white.
>>
>>near 1 minute for finding 1.e4 and 1.d4 the two best moves.
>>near 1 minute for finding 1...e5 and 1...c5(2 best replies to 1.e4)
>>near 1 minute for finding 1...Nf6 and 1...d5(2 best replies to 1.d4)
>>near 4 minute for finding the third ply in lines 1,2,3,4(1 minute for a line)
>>
>>I do not need the last line to understand 1.e4 is better than 1.d4
>>because I know the value of 1.e4 is 0.1 pawns for white
>>and I know the value of 1.d4 is at most 0.08 pawns for white but fritz5
>>analyse the position after 1...d5 and waste time about it.
>>
>>fritz5 does not use the alpha beta for the tree it shows me and I do not
>>understand why.
>
>When you are in k variation mode which is essentially what the correspondence
>feature is, alpha beta only applies within each variation, not across
>variations.

I  think it should be simple to use the alpha beta across variations.
fritz5 uses the alpha beta for a very large tree  I cannot see
and it should be simple to use the alpha beta for the tree I see
when the computer computes near 1 node per minute in this tree
instead of 200000 nodes per second.

Uri
>>
>>
>>another problem with the tree is that I can tell Fritz to analyze
>>more than 1 line only in the first 3 plies
>>I believe the computer can do mistakes in evaluating the best move but not many
>>mistakes so if for example the length of variation is 6 then I want the
>>possibility to tell the computer to use 2 branching factors for the first
>>time the computer do a mistake and the second time the computer do a mistake
>>instead of the first,second and third ply.
>>
>>another problem is that I see the evaluation function only at the leaves of the
>>tree.   I prefer to see the evaluation function after every move because if it
>>was changed drastically I can suspect the last move was a mistake.
>>
>>Uri



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