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Subject: Re: Challenge position for engines! (Lots of luck)

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 01:33:04 03/05/02

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On March 04, 2002 at 22:55:30, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On March 04, 2002 at 17:43:29, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>The following position occurred in Spassky-Beliavsky, Reykjavik, 1988
>>
>>[D]2b1qrk1/5p1p/pBn3p1/1p2p3/4P2N/bBP1Q3/P4PPP/3R2K1 w - -
>>
>>Spassky found a tremendous move 25.Nxg6!! and won the game. I don't think any
>>engines will have much luck with it but feel free to try it. I've analyzed it in
>>detail and can verify that it is the strongest move and correct, so as a further
>>challenge, see if you can find the *strongest* continuation after the possible
>>defense: 25...hxg6 26.Qh6 Be6!?
>
>The new GLC says this:
>>epd 999 \nxg6.epd
> Line 001: Test [Nxg6]...
> Generating internal KP-K end-game table...
> Done (0.311 secs)
> Game stage: Middle game
> Current eval: 0.276
> Ply  Time   Score   Nodes  Principal Variation
>  4   0.02  +0.053    5730  Bd5 Ne7 2. Bb3 Bb7
>  4   0.03  +0.053   13473  Bd5 Ne7 2. Bb3 Bb7
>  5   0.05  +0.051   21854  Bd5 Bg4 2. Nf3 Qd7 3. c4
>  5   0.11  +0.121   64153  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Bb7
>  5   0.13  +0.121   74296  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Bb7
>  6   0.15  +0.070   91419  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6
>  6   0.27  +0.070  171617  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6
>  7   0.36  +0.046  238211  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6 5. Rd2
>  7   0.72  +0.221  449451  Bd5 Bb7 2. Nf3 Qe7 3. Ng5 Bd6 4. f3
>  7   0.83  +0.221  529585  Bd5 Bb7 2. Nf3 Qe7 3. Ng5 Bd6 4. f3
>  8   1.73  +0.089 1046198  Bd5 Ne7 2. c4 b4 3. Ba8 Qa4 4. Rd6 Be6
>  8   2.26  +0.342 1393452  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Rd5 b4 5. Ng5
>  8   2.51  +0.342 1570209  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Rd5 b4 5. Ng5
>  9   4.41  +0.324 2789434  c4 Bb4 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Be6 4. a3 Bxb3 5. Qxb3
>                              Be7 6. Qe3
>  9   5.98  +0.324 3858858  c4 Bb4 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Be6 4. a3 Bxb3 5. Qxb3
>                              Be7 6. Qe3
> 10  10.31  +0.413 6654866  c4 Qe7 2. Nf3 Bb7 3. cxb5 axb5 {ht}
> 10  12.04  +0.413 7904690  c4 Qe7 2. Nf3 Bb7 3. cxb5 axb5 {ht}
> 11  29.56  +0.321  19057k  c4 Bg4 2. f3 Bc8 3. cxb5 axb5 4. Bxf7+ Rxf7 5. Qxa3
>                              g5 6. Nf5 Bxf5 7. exf5 Rxf5
> 11  51.66  +0.367  33187k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. h3 Bxf3 4. Qxf3 Bb2 5. Rb1
>                              Ba3 6. c4 Bb4 7. cxb5 axb5
> 11  55.95  +0.367  35932k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. h3 Bxf3 4. Qxf3 Bb2 5. Rb1
>                              Ba3 6. c4 Bb4 7. cxb5 axb5
> 12   1:31  +0.461  57301k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
>                              bxc4 6. Bxc4 Qb7 7. Qe3 Rb8
> 12   2:26  +0.461  93675k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
>                              bxc4 6. Bxc4 Qb7 7. Qe3 Rb8
> 13   5:23  +0.617 200462k  Nf3 Bg4 2. c4 Be7 3. cxb5 axb5 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
>                              Qb8 6. Qe3 Qb7 7. Bd5 Rc8 8. f3
> 13   7:50  +0.617 298258k  Nf3 Bg4 2. c4 Be7 3. cxb5 axb5 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
>                              Qb8 6. Qe3 Qb7 7. Bd5 Rc8 8. f3
> 14  11:52  +0.534 446732k  Nf3 Bg4 2. c4 Be7 3. cxb5 axb5 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
>                              Qb8 6. Qe3 Bg5 7. Qxg5 Qxb6 8. Rd7 Qc5
> local:  t=16:39  nps=638782.3  n=638153773 (18.0% / 82.0%)  fh=89.1%
> total:  t=16:39  nps=638782.3  n=638153773  draws=416196
> trans:  probes=114468411  hits=14489233 (12.66%)  draft=9787234 (8.55%)
> tcuts:  exact=1219 (0.00%)  upper=6641525 (5.80%)  lower=2411588 (2.11%)
> tstor:  exact=1748 (0.00%)  upper=43586187 (72.25%)  lower=16741263 (27.75%)
> ext:  check=37626828  recap=1761032  ppush=80439  1rep=2657617  thrt=0
> q-moves:  gen=440786013  tested=217181268  made/un=86757959  max-dep=14
> max eval diff:  part-1=3.296  part-2=2.346
> !m Nh4-f3 534 5166         Bd5    >
>move h4f36   3/48           Bd5    >
>  time left 10.00
> -> Score=534  PV=Nf3 Bg4 2. c4 Be7 3. cxb5 axb5 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 Qb8 6. Qe3
>Bg5 7. Qxg5 Qxb6 8. Rd7 Qc5
> Game finished test: 0
>>
> --------------------------------------------
> 2b1qrk1/5p1p/pBn3p1/1p2p3/4P2N/bBP1Q3/P4PPP/3R2K1 w - - bm Nxg6;
> Line 001: Test [Nxg6]: failed [Nf3; score=0.534]
>
> Passed 0 out of 1 (0 invalid)

Hi Dann...

With some more hash (I'm guessing you just used the default 6MB), and a faster
processor, GLC manages to find Nxg6 in less than your 999 seconds :)

900MHz?,  6MB: not found in 999 seconds (638153773 nodes),
1.47GHz, 48MB: found after 16:28        (912270000 nodes),
1.47Ghz, 96MB: found after 13:34        (740192000 nodes).

Analysis follows.

48MB Hash, Athlon XP 1.47GHz:

 Game stage: Middle game
 Current eval: 0.276
 Ply  Time   Score   Nodes  Principal Variation
  4   0.04  +0.053    5730  Bd5 Ne7 2. Bb3 Bb7
  4   0.06  +0.053   13473  Bd5 Ne7 2. Bb3 Bb7
  5   0.07  +0.051   21854  Bd5 Bg4 2. Nf3 Qd7 3. c4
  5   0.11  +0.121   64153  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Bb7
  5   0.13  +0.121   74296  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Bb7
  6   0.15  +0.070   91419  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6
  6   0.23  +0.070  171617  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6
  7   0.30  +0.046  238211  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6 5. Rd2
  7   0.54  +0.221  449463  Bd5 Bb7 2. Nf3 Qe7 3. Ng5 Bd6 4. f3
  7   0.62  +0.221  529549  Bd5 Bb7 2. Nf3 Qe7 3. Ng5 Bd6 4. f3
  8   1.23  +0.089 1045224  Bd5 Ne7 2. c4 b4 3. Ba8 Qa4 4. Rd6 Be6
  8   1.59  +0.342 1392147  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Rd5 b4 5. Ng5
  8   1.76  +0.342 1568627  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Rd5 b4 5. Ng5
  9   3.04  +0.324 2786465  c4 Bb4 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Be6 4. a3 Bxb3 5. Qxb3
                              Be7 6. Qe3
  9   4.08  +0.324 3853981  c4 Bb4 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Be6 4. a3 Bxb3 5. Qxb3
                              Be7 6. Qe3
 10   6.94  +0.413 6619849  c4 Qe7 2. Nf3 Bb7 3. cxb5 axb5 {ht}
 10   8.11  +0.413 7855251  c4 Qe7 2. Nf3 Bb7 3. cxb5 axb5 {ht}
 11  19.66  +0.321  18402k  c4 Bg4 2. f3 Bc8 3. cxb5 axb5 4. Bxf7+ Rxf7 5. Qxa3
                              g5 6. Nf5 Bxf5 7. exf5 Rxf5
 11  33.37  +0.367  31103k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. h3 Bxf3 4. Qxf3 Bb2 5. Rb1
                              Ba3 6. c4 Bb4 7. cxb5 axb5
 11  35.90  +0.367  33419k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. h3 Bxf3 4. Qxf3 Bb2 5. Rb1
                              Ba3 6. c4 Bb4 7. cxb5 axb5
 12  59.01  +0.461  54054k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
                              bxc4 6. Bxc4 Qb7 7. Qe3 Rb8
 12   1:23  +0.461  77813k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
                              bxc4 6. Bxc4 Qb7 7. Qe3 Rb8
 13   2:29  +0.572 135881k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 Qb7
                              6. cxb5 axb5 7. Qe3 Rc8 8. f3
 13   4:13  +0.572 236743k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 Qb7
                              6. cxb5 axb5 7. Qe3 Rc8 8. f3
 14   7:47  +0.534 427941k  Nf3 Bg4 2. c4 Be7 3. cxb5 axb5 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
                              Qb8 6. Qe3 Bg5 7. Qxg5 Qxb6 8. Rd7 Qc5
 14  16:28  +0.544 912270k  Nxg6 hxg6 2. Qh6 Be6 3. Rd3 Ne7 4. Bxe6 fxe6 5. c4
                              Bb4 6. Rh3 Kf7 7. Qh7+ Kf6 8. Rf3+ Nf5 9. exf5
                              exf5 10. cxb5 Qxb5
 14  17:13  +0.544 956923k  Nxg6 hxg6 2. Qh6 Be6 3. Rd3 Ne7 4. Bxe6 fxe6 5. c4
                              Bb4 6. Rh3 Kf7 7. Qh7+ Kf6 8. Rf3+ Nf5 9. exf5
                              exf5 10. cxb5 Qxb5
 15  18:11  +0.808   1013m  Nxg6 hxg6 2. Qh6 Be6 3. Rd3 Ne7 4. Bxe6 fxe6 5. Rh3
                              Kf7 6. Qh7+ Kf6 7. Be3 Nf5 8. exf5 exf5 9. Bg5+
                              Ke6 10. Rd3
 15  19:31   1/48           Nf3    >exit
 local:  t=19:40  nps=929521.0  n=1096719505 (18.3% / 81.7%)  fh=88.7%
 total:  t=19:40  nps=929521.0  n=1096719505  draws=785261
 trans:  probes=200125712  hits=28654489 (14.32%)  draft=19063560 (9.53%)
 tcuts:  exact=1612 (0.00%)  upper=12071230 (6.03%)  lower=4532855 (2.27%)
 tstor:  exact=2227 (0.00%)  upper=75586719 (71.85%)  lower=29619087 (28.15%)
 ext:  check=66673640  recap=2913070  ppush=150583  1rep=5403673  thrt=0
 q-moves:  gen=721824844  tested=355714766  made/un=139421024  max-dep=15
 max eval diff:  part-1=4.219  part-2=2.471


And with 96MB Hash:

 Game stage: Middle game
 Current eval: 0.276
 Ply  Time   Score   Nodes  Principal Variation
  4   0.02  +0.053    5730  Bd5 Ne7 2. Bb3 Bb7
  4   0.04  +0.053   13473  Bd5 Ne7 2. Bb3 Bb7
  5   0.05  +0.051   21854  Bd5 Bg4 2. Nf3 Qd7 3. c4
  5   0.11  +0.121   64153  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Bb7
  5   0.12  +0.121   74296  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Bb7
  6   0.13  +0.070   91419  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6
  6   0.23  +0.070  171617  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6
  7   0.29  +0.046  238211  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Qh6 Be6 4. Bxe6 Qxe6 5. Rd2
  7   0.52  +0.221  449463  Bd5 Bb7 2. Nf3 Qe7 3. Ng5 Bd6 4. f3
  7   0.61  +0.221  529549  Bd5 Bb7 2. Nf3 Qe7 3. Ng5 Bd6 4. f3
  8   1.22  +0.089 1045220  Bd5 Ne7 2. c4 b4 3. Ba8 Qa4 4. Rd6 Be6
  8   1.58  +0.342 1392143  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Rd5 b4 5. Ng5
  8   1.74  +0.342 1568623  c4 Qe7 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Rd5 b4 5. Ng5
  9   3.03  +0.324 2786473  c4 Bb4 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Be6 4. a3 Bxb3 5. Qxb3
                              Be7 6. Qe3
  9   4.08  +0.324 3853992  c4 Bb4 2. cxb5 axb5 3. Nf3 Be6 4. a3 Bxb3 5. Qxb3
                              Be7 6. Qe3
 10   6.95  +0.413 6619737  c4 Qe7 2. Nf3 Bb7 3. cxb5 axb5 {ht}
 10   8.12  +0.413 7854794  c4 Qe7 2. Nf3 Bb7 3. cxb5 axb5 {ht}
 11  19.35  +0.321  18387k  c4 Bg4 2. f3 Bc8 3. cxb5 axb5 4. Bxf7+ Rxf7 5. Qxa3
                              g5 6. Nf5 Bxf5 7. exf5 Rxf5
 11  32.73  +0.367  30994k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. h3 Bxf3 4. Qxf3 Bb2 5. Rb1
                              Ba3 6. c4 Bb4 7. cxb5 axb5
 11  35.18  +0.367  33256k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. h3 Bxf3 4. Qxf3 Bb2 5. Rb1
                              Ba3 6. c4 Bb4 7. cxb5 axb5
 12  57.74  +0.461  53719k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
                              bxc4 6. Bxc4 Qb7 7. Qe3 Rb8
 12   1:20  +0.461  75743k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
                              bxc4 6. Bxc4 Qb7 7. Qe3 Rb8
 13   2:21  +0.572 129371k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 Qb7
                              6. cxb5 axb5 7. Qe3 Rc8 8. f3
 13   3:32  +0.572 197857k  Nf3 Bg4 2. Bd5 Qd7 3. c4 Bd6 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 Qb7
                              6. cxb5 axb5 7. Qe3 Rc8 8. f3
 14   6:43  +0.534 366445k  Nf3 Bg4 2. c4 Be7 3. cxb5 axb5 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3
                              Qb8 6. Qe3 Bg5 7. Qxg5 Qxb6 8. Rd7 Qc5
 14  13:34  +0.590 740192k  Nxg6 hxg6 2. Qh6 Be6 3. Rd3 Ne7 4. Bxe6 fxe6 5. c4
                              Bb4 6. Rh3 Kf7 7. Qh7+ Kf6 8. Rf3+ Kg5 9. Be3+
                              Rf4 10. Bxf4+ exf4 11. cxb5 Qxb5
 14  15:44  +0.590 858525k  Nxg6 hxg6 2. Qh6 Be6 3. Rd3 Ne7 4. Bxe6 fxe6 5. c4
                              Bb4 6. Rh3 Kf7 7. Qh7+ Kf6 8. Rf3+ Kg5 9. Be3+
                              Rf4 10. Bxf4+ exf4 11. cxb5 Qxb5
 15  16:33  +0.808 905376k  Nxg6 hxg6 2. Qh6 Be6 3. Rd3 Ne7 4. Bxe6 fxe6 5. Rh3
                              Kf7 6. Qh7+ Kf6 7. Be3 Nf5 8. exf5 exf5 9. Bg5+
                              Ke6 10. Rd3
 15  28:36   8/48           Qh6    >exit
 local:  t=28:44  nps=914734.1  n=1577230254 (18.8% / 81.2%)  fh=88.7%
 total:  t=50:20  nps=917347.2  n=2770372839  draws=1298081
 trans:  probes=295112890  hits=47263845 (16.02%)  draft=30542628 (10.35%)
 tcuts:  exact=1751 (0.00%)  upper=20515177 (6.95%)  lower=7145289 (2.42%)
 tstor:  exact=2231 (0.00%)  upper=115980721 (72.48%)  lower=44032417 (27.52%)
 ext:  check=110731856  recap=4367307  ppush=229280  1rep=8314320  thrt=0
 q-moves:  gen=998346416  tested=483364135  made/un=187711410  max-dep=15
 max eval diff:  part-1=4.219  part-2=2.471

Cheers, Tim.



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