Author: Torstein Hall
Date: 12:24:33 03/06/02
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On March 06, 2002 at 11:11:02, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On March 06, 2002 at 11:03:27, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>I find it pretty funny that you named that program after one of the best exact >>variation calculators in chess history! Of course Tal also must have had a >>strong feeling for the position, but he often relied on his superior variation >>calculating ability in complex sitations on the chess board. >>I feel that Chess System Morphy would have been a much better name. >> >>Torstein > >ok - i see it different. > >from my understanding of chess-history > >lasker / fischer / tal In my view I find this players had a very different approach to the game. Lasker in his own words, common sense. (Realising that the oponent was a human, not a chess computer!) Fisher in my words was/is fairly single minded trying to play the best move. Endgame play from heaven! And Tal fits your description of seeking fog, but from fog on relied heavy on outcalculating oponents! (more comments further down) > >are in one group. > >the group of players NOT looking for a "best" move. > >but for a move that is right for their idea and their opponent. > >cstal has no strong feeling for a position. it behaves fuzzy concerning >it. > >it searches for a fog. >when it has seen fog, it drives into it. > >like the seawolf by jack london. >or like bronstein in the game versus tal (Bxb2). > >bronstein thought: how can i sac that the program makes a mistake >in a foggy situation. > >he found one. he considers about 30 minutes or more before he made >his move. i thought he felt into sleep. or he is meditating. >maybe he died on the chair. ? i thought - what the hell is he >considering. he was searching the fog where computers make mistakes. >and he found it. > >he made the move. and cstal died. Bronstein is probably among the most unconventional players of WC strenght! I once was played in the same tournament as him, in a mountain resort in Norway. (He was of course among the top players of the tournament, I was among the bottom half.....) Anyway, during the tournament he came and watched my game! I was in a pretty foggy position (at least to me....) and thinking very long. And having B. standing there watching me was not much help either. Who wants to blunder in front of a legend? At dinnertime I was sitting at the same table as Bronstein. He asked me what I had been thinking on for so long! I told him that I found the position complicated, and perhaps chess was to difficult to me. (I think I lost the game in the end.) The B. told me that chess realy was a simple game. I sayd I did not really share his view. Then he told me with a smile, "You know Torstein, since I'm a GM you just an amateur, you should just nod and say yes, but since you are nice guy I will explain chess to you. It is a simple game, first one player moves, then the other, and so on until the game is over!" And to that explanation I just had to agree! >thats the way cstal normally worked. > >it had special knowledge how to behave in non quiet, unbalanced >positions. >because of this knowledge, it was able to see in the fog. > >not very precise. but better than the opponents. >and : it WANTED to stay in the fog. while the other >programs try to come out of the fog. I'm not sure Tal ever was really in the fog! > >thats it.
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