Author: Chris Carson
Date: 03:01:04 03/07/02
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On March 06, 2002 at 23:31:14, Terry McCracken wrote: >On March 06, 2002 at 13:37:44, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On March 06, 2002 at 11:02:21, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On March 06, 2002 at 07:16:27, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>The SSDF has the proper ELO calibration for programs vs GM's. >>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/ >>>> >>>>See Tony's page for Human vs Machine results (look at calibration games): >>>>http://home.interact.se/~w100107/welcome.htm >>>> >>>>and (my list on Tony's Page): >>>> >>>>http://home.interact.se/~w100107/manmachine.htm >>> >>> >>>Chris been here and it's all good and nice, but until the F.I.D.E. allows the >>>same rights for machines as it does humans, you'll not see enough games to >>>prove that today's programmes are GM's or GM strength, let alone 2700+! >>> >>>Terry >> >>All data points to this. You should ask the people who think it is lower to >>provide data to back up the claims (tournament/match conditions in public the >>same as these tournaments and matches). >> >>Just saying it is lower does not make it so. > >Which to that I'll add, "Just saying it's higher does not make it so!:> > >Well Chris, I guess I'm a Super GM! I beat RC4 two games in a row! > >And I didn't use "Anti-Computer Play" either!:o) But I did force it down to >a winning endgame. > >I nailed Deep Fritz 6 without anti-computer play as well in 27 moves, Checkmate! > >Sorry I haven't the game scores, but then again people may think I fabricated >the games!;-) > >Terry SSDF Calibration Human vs Computer = 318 games Carson list Human vs Computer = 211 games Total = 529 games Pleenty of games, plenty of GM norms. Statistically significant and a very powerful study. Play matches and tournaments in public against the top programs on top hardware as these games were. If you will notice, the programs can be beaten, but not consistently and they are consistently winning matches against the top GM's. The programs win a lot more than they loose. If yhou win a game, enjoy it, the program will win more though.
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