Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:03:47 03/07/02
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On March 07, 2002 at 05:35:02, Kurt Utzinger wrote: how do you test positions Kurt, all within the chessbase interface, first making the right move then later letting them search on the position? If so, then that is wrong. If i put on shredder6 version in shredder6 native interface *without testing it before* the same position then it gets the same scores, but not Ka4 at all. I am sure for other programs the same is valid. many interfaces have 'hashtable learning'. in shredder go to engine options and unmark 'hashtable learning and position learning'. This is fooling you in many positional testpositions i bet. >On March 07, 2002 at 03:16:32, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>Position from IPCCC 2002 round 1 Gandalf X - IsiChess X 1-0 >> >>very impressed by Gandalfs 55.Ka4! >> >>[D] 8/5k2/5p2/5p1p/5Pp1/1K2r1P1/1PR3P1/8 w - - bm Ka4 >> >>Cheers, >>Gerd > >Below the analysis of >- Shredder6 Paderborn >- Junior7 >- Fritz 7c [7.0.0.6] >- Chess Tiger 14.0 > > >Kurt > >Neue Partie >8/5k2/5p2/5p1p/5Pp1/1K2r1P1/1PR3P1/8 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Shredder Paderborn on Ath 1.4/256 > >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Td4 > = (-0.16) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.Tc6+ Ke7 5.Tc3 Kd6 6.b4 Te8 7.Kb3 Tb8 > = (-0.15) Tiefe: 14/26 00:00:00 209kN >1.Tc3 Te4 2.Ka3 Te2 3.b4 Txg2 4.b5 Td2 5.b6 Td8 6.Kb4 Kg8 7.Tc2 Kh7 8.Tc3 > = (-0.04) Tiefe: 15/27 00:00:02 1190kN, tb=70 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Tc6 > = (-0.05) Tiefe: 16/28 00:00:04 1906kN, tb=124 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Tc6 > = (-0.03) Tiefe: 17/29 00:00:06 2849kN, tb=160 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Tc6 Kg6 4.Tc2 Te3+ 5.Tc3 Te2 6.Tc2 Kh7 > = (-0.03) Tiefe: 18/30 00:00:08 4004kN, tb=252 >1.Tc3 Te4 2.Tc2 Ke6 3.Tc3 > = (-0.05) Tiefe: 19/31 00:00:21 9782kN, tb=1071 >1.Tc3 Te4 2.Tc2 Ke6 3.Tc3 Te1 4.Tc5 > = (-0.05) Tiefe: 20/32 00:00:52 22682kN, tb=2634 >1.Tc3 Te4 2.Tc2 Ke6 3.Tc3 > = (-0.07) Tiefe: 21/33 00:01:09 29909kN, tb=4014 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 Ke6 3.b5 Td3 4.b6 Td8 5.g3 Ke7 > = (-0.06) Tiefe: 21/33 00:03:02 75825kN, tb=9813 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Ka5 Tb3 8.Ka6 > = (-0.05) Tiefe: 21/33 00:04:36 115700kN, tb=12987 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Ka5 Tb3 8.Ka6 Ke6 >9.b7 Ta3+ > = (-0.05) Tiefe: 22/34 00:05:49 145628kN, tb=17722 >1.Tc3 Te4 > = (-0.04) Tiefe: 22/34 00:05:56 149230kN, tb=17774 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Tc3 Ke6 4.Ka3 Te2 5.b3 Txg2 6.Tc4 Txg3 7.Tc5 h4 8.Kb4 > = (-0.04) Tiefe: 22/34 00:07:10 181444kN, tb=24957 >1.Tc3 Te2 2.Tc2 Te3+ 3.Tc3 Te2 4.Tc2 Te3+ 5.Tc3 > = (-0.01) Tiefe: 23/35 00:09:44 248264kN, tb=31486 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Tb2 Tg2 7.Tb1 Ke6 8.b7 h2 > = (0.00) Tiefe: 23/35 00:11:51 296079kN, tb=42953 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Tb2 Kg7 7.b7 h2 8.Txh2 Tb1 >9.b8D Txb8 10.Th6 > = (0.00) Tiefe: 23/35 00:12:42 316686kN, tb=45443 > >(Utzinger, MyTown 07.03.2002) >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Neue Partie >8/5k2/5p2/5p1p/5Pp1/1K2r1P1/1PR3P1/8 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Junior 7: > >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.Tc7+ Kg6 > ³ (-0.59) Tiefe: 3 00:00:00 >1.Kb4 Txg3 2.Tc7+ Kg6 > ³ (-0.53) Tiefe: 3 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te7 2.Tc8 > = (-0.20) Tiefe: 3 00:00:00 >1.Tc3 Te7 2.Tc1 Te2 > = (-0.20) Tiefe: 6 00:00:00 1kN >1.Tc3 Te6 2.Tc2 Kg6 3.Kb4 Te1 > = (-0.25) Tiefe: 9 00:00:00 12kN >1.Tc3 Te6 2.Tc7+ Kg6 3.Tc1 Te3+ 4.Tc3 Te8 5.Tc2 Tb8+ 6.Ka4 Td8 > ³ (-0.35) Tiefe: 12 00:00:00 84kN >1.Kc4 Te6 2.b4 Te4+ 3.Kb3 Te3+ 4.Tc3 Te2 5.Tc2 Te7 6.b5 Te3+ 7.Tc3 > = (-0.15) Tiefe: 12 00:00:00 283kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.Kd5 Tb3 6.Kc6 Ke6 > ³ (-0.38) Tiefe: 15 00:00:00 915kN >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg2 6.b7 h2 7.Tc7+ Ke6 8.Tc6+ Kd5 >9.b8D h1D > ³ (-0.29) Tiefe: 15 00:00:01 1481kN >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Kb5 Tg2 7.b7 h2 8.Tc7+ Ke6 >9.b8D h1D > = (-0.18) Tiefe: 18 00:00:05 6246kN, tb=36 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Txh3 Txb6 8.Ka5 Tb1 >9.Ka6 Ke6 > = (-0.19) Tiefe: 21 00:00:20 21498kN, tb=103 >1.Tc3 Te6 2.Tc2 Kg6 3.Ka4 Ta6+ 4.Kb5 Ta2 5.Kc4 Kf7 6.Td2 Ta7 7.Td5 Kg6 > = (-0.11) Tiefe: 21 00:00:50 55272kN, tb=155 >1.Tc3 Te6 2.Tc2 Ke7 3.Ka4 Ta6+ 4.Kb4 Ta2 5.Kb3 Ta1 6.Kc4 > = (-0.07) Tiefe: 23 00:02:00 131176kN, tb=455 >1.Tc3 Te6 2.Tc2 Ke7 3.Kc4 Te3 4.b4 Kd6 5.b5 Te4+ 6.Kb3 Kd5 7.Ka3 Te3+ 8.Ka4 Txg3 >9.b6 > = (-0.06) Tiefe: 24 00:03:27 221696kN, tb=1141 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Ka5 Tb3 8.Ka6 Ta3+ >9.Kb5 Tb3+ > = (0.00) Tiefe: 24 00:05:01 322847kN, tb=1723 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Ka5 Tb3 8.Ka6 Ta3+ >9.Kb5 Tb3+ > = (0.00) Tiefe: 25 00:06:54 439702kN, tb=2714 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Ka5 Tb3 8.Ka6 Ta3+ >9.Kb5 Tb3+ > = (0.00) Tiefe: 26 00:12:18 789796kN, tb=7062 > >(Utzinger, MyTown 07.03.2002) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Neue Partie >8/5k2/5p2/5p1p/5Pp1/1K2r1P1/1PR3P1/8 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 7: > >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 Txh3 5.Tb2 Th8 6.b6 Tb8 > = (0.16) Tiefe: 11/21 00:00:00 279kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 Ke6 4.b6 Kd7 5.Kb5 h3 6.gxh3 Txh3 7.Ka6 > = (-0.06) Tiefe: 12/22 00:00:00 438kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 Ke6 3.b5 Kd7 4.Tb2 Kc7 5.Kd5 h4 6.Ke6 Kb6 7.Kxf5 > = (0.13) Tiefe: 13/25 00:00:01 1135kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.Th2 Tf3 6.Kc5 Tc3+ 7.Kd4 Tf3 8.Tb2 > = (0.16) Tiefe: 14/28 00:00:03 2433kN >1.Kc4-- > = (-0.12) Tiefe: 15/26 00:00:03 3072kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 Ke6 3.b5 Kd7 4.Kb4 h4 5.b6 h3 6.gxh3 Txh3 7.Tc7+ Kd6 8.Kc4 > = (0.00) Tiefe: 15/27 00:00:05 4616kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 Ke6 3.b5 Kd7 4.Kb4 h4 5.b6 Te3 6.Tc7+ Kd6 7.Tf7 Te2 8.Txf6+ > = (-0.12) Tiefe: 16/32 00:00:12 10376kN >1.Ka4! > = (-0.09) Tiefe: 16/32 00:00:15 12771kN >1.Ka4! > = (0.06) Tiefe: 16/32 00:00:18 14966kN >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Kb5 Tg2 7.Tc3 h2 8.Th3 > = (0.16) Tiefe: 16/32 00:00:21 17583kN >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Kb5 Tg2 7.Tc3 h2 8.Th3 > = (0.19) Tiefe: 17/32 00:00:29 24439kN, tb=1 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Kb5 Tg2 7.Tc3 h2 8.Th3 > = (0.25) Tiefe: 18/35 00:00:47 39937kN, tb=4 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Kb5 Tg2 7.Tc7+ Ke6 8.Th7 > = (0.22) Tiefe: 19/37 00:01:24 71109kN, tb=20 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Ka5 Tb3 8.Ka6 > ² (0.34) Tiefe: 20/39 00:02:59 151636kN, tb=32 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Ka5 Tb3 8.Ka6 > ² (0.47) Tiefe: 21/40 00:06:18 318145kN, tb=143 > >(Utzinger, MyTown 07.03.2002) >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Neue Partie >8/5k2/5p2/5p1p/5Pp1/1K2r1P1/1PR3P1/8 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0: > >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.b7 Tb1 > ³ (-0.57) Tiefe: 10 00:00:00 168kN >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Ta1+ 7.Kb3 > ³ (-0.52) Tiefe: 11 00:00:00 249kN >1.Tc3 Te7 2.Tc2 Kg6 3.Kc3 Tc7+ 4.Kd3 Tb7 5.Kd4 Tb3 6.Kc4 Txg3 > ³ (-0.50) Tiefe: 11 00:00:00 413kN >1.Tc3 Te7 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.b4 Te3+ 5.Ka4 Td3 6.Tc6+ Ke7 7.Tc7+ Kd6 8.Tf7 > ³ (-0.44) Tiefe: 12 00:00:01 639kN >1.Tc3 Te7 2.Tc2 Te4 3.Ka3 Ke6 4.b4 Te3+ 5.Ka4 Td3 6.Tc6+ Ke7 7.b5 Txg3 8.Tc7+ >Kd8 > ³ (-0.42) Tiefe: 13 00:00:02 1042kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Th2 Tb1 7.Txh3 Txb6 > ³ (-0.34) Tiefe: 13 00:00:03 1722kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg2 6.Txg2 hxg2 7.b7 g1D 8.b8D De1 >9.Kd5 > ³ (-0.34) Tiefe: 14 00:00:06 3029kN >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg2 6.Txg2 hxg2 7.b7 g1D 8.b8D De1 >9.Kd5 Kg6 > ³ (-0.36) Tiefe: 15 00:00:13 6564kN, tb=3 >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg2 6.Txg2 hxg2 7.b7 g1D 8.b8D De3 >9.Kd5 De4+ 10.Kc5 > ³ (-0.36) Tiefe: 16 00:00:30 14547kN, tb=18 >1.Kc4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg2 6.Txg2 hxg2 7.b7 g1D 8.b8D De3 >9.Kd5 De4+ 10.Kc5 > ³ (-0.36) Tiefe: 17 00:01:24 41217kN, tb=115 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 h4 3.b5 h3 4.gxh3 gxh3 5.b6 Tg1 6.Tb2 Tg2 7.Tb1 Tg8 8.Th1 Tb8 >9.Kb5 Th8 > = (-0.05) Tiefe: 17 00:02:36 76517kN, tb=154 >1.Ka4 Txg3 2.b4 Td3 3.b5 Td1 4.b6 Tb1 5.Ka5 Ke6 6.Ka6 Kd6 7.b7 g3 8.Tc8 Ta1+ >9.Kb6 Tb1+ 10.Ka7 Ta1+ > = (0.24) Tiefe: 18 00:06:08 180202kN, tb=261 > >(Utzinger, MyTown 07.03.2002)
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