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Subject: Re: Ply depths?

Author: Angrim

Date: 13:44:42 03/07/02

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On March 06, 2002 at 12:00:02, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>Interesting. My program Gaviota finds Mate in 15, with the same sequence
>of moves in 18 seconds on a PIV 1.4 Ghz. Also, at ply 6 and I am very happy with
>that. The interesting part is that Gaviota requires ~2Mega positions
>where CM requires only 100K. In this particular position CM's tree is
>20-fold leaner! I will have to work hard on trimming the fat!

Or, you could just add a proof-number search stage.  This type of
position is very easy for proof-number search.

pn-search on athlon 1.2ghz:
fen: 7k/2p3p1/4Q2p/p3n3/2pBP2P/2P3P1/1r2q3/5RK1 w - - 0 1
proved that move f1f8 wins, 14.5 turns
PN:17176 evals, 1260 expands,  0.06 seconds

Perhaps the most interesting part of this is that my pn-searcher has
no chess-specific knowledge other than how to generate legal moves
and score a mate position.  I expect that someone who is good at
chess could write a version that is much better by writing an eval that
measures how close to being proven each leaf node is.  I just use
the game-independant measure of counting the legal moves at each
leaf node.


>
>
>Signature[1]: 2f2af0dc
>7k/2p3p1/4Q2p/p3n3/2pBP2P/2P3P1/1r2q3/5RK1 w - - 0 1
>+-----------------+
>| . . . . . . . k |
>| . . x . . . x . |
>| . . . . Q . . x |
>| x . . . n . . . |
>| . . x B o . . o |
>| . . o . . . o . |
>| . r . . q . . . |
>| . . . . . R K . |
>+-----------------+
>
>legal moves available = 40
>       276   1       0.0   -10.67  Qe6-g8   Kh8xg8   Rf1-f2   Qe2-e1
>                                   Kg1-g2   Rb2xf2   Bd4xf2   Qe1xc3
>       785   1       0.0    +2.10  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   h4-h5    Qe2xh5   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>                                   Bd4xe5
>       978   1:      0.0    +2.10  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   h4-h5    Qe2xh5   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>                                   Bd4xe5
>      1551   2       0.0    +2.10  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   h4-h5    Qe2xh5   Qg8-e6   <EMPTY>
>                                   <-transp
>      2400   2:      0.0    +2.10  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   h4-h5    Qe2xh5   Qg8-e6   <EMPTY>
>                                   <-transp
>     10970   3       0.1      :-(  Rf1-f8
>     19223   3       0.2      :-(
>     21978   3       0.2      :-(
>     97988   3       0.8    +0.00  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>     99431   3:      0.8    +0.00  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>    281747   4       2.4    +0.00  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>    287259   4:      2.4    +0.00  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>    698465   5       5.8    +0.00  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>    734253   5:      6.1    +0.00  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Qg8-e6   Kg6-h7
>   1706066   6      14.0      :-)  Rf1-f8
>   1710738   6      14.0      :-)  Rf1-f8
>   1790314   6      14.7      :-)  Rf1-f8
>   1846161   6      15.1      :-)  Rf1-f8
>   2273113   6      18.2  +Mat_15  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Rf8-f6   Kg6xf6   Qg8-f8   Kf6-e6
>                                   Qf8-e8   Ke6-d6   <-transp
>   2301528   6:     18.4  +Mat_15  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Rf8-f6   Kg6xf6   Qg8-f8   Kf6-e6
>                                   Qf8-e8   Ke6-d6   <-transp
>   4080652   7      31.6  +Mat_15  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Rf8-f6   Kg6xf6   Qg8-f8   Kf6-e6
>                                   Qf8-e8   Ke6-d6   Bd4xe5   Kd6-c5
>                                   Be5-d4   Kc5-d6   Qe8-d8   Kd6-e6
>                                   Qd8-d5   Ke6-e7   Bd4-c5   Ke7-e8
>                                   Qd5-e6   Ke8-d8   Bc5-e7   Kd8-e8
>                                   Be7-d6   Ke8-d8   Qe6-e7   Kd8-c8
>                                   Qe7xc7
>   4185919   7:     32.4  +Mat_15  Rf1-f8   Kh8-h7   Qe6-g8   Kh7-g6
>                                   Rf8-f6   Kg6xf6   Qg8-f8   Kf6-e6
>                                   Qf8-e8   Ke6-d6   Bd4xe5   Kd6-c5
>                                   Be5-d4   Kc5-d6   Qe8-d8   Kd6-e6
>                                   Qd8-d5   Ke6-e7   Bd4-c5   Ke7-e8
>                                   Qd5-e6   Ke8-d8   Bc5-e7   Kd8-e8
>                                   Be7-d6   Ke8-d8   Qe6-e7   Kd8-c8
>                                   Qe7xc7
>Regards,
>Miguel
>
>
>>jm



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