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Subject: Re: Mate in 19, which program?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:18:35 03/08/02

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On March 08, 2002 at 14:46:41, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On March 08, 2002 at 12:43:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 08, 2002 at 12:31:14, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>>
>>>On March 08, 2002 at 09:22:58, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>[d]4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - id M19;
>>>>
>>>>I came across this beauty, mate in 19 moves. Rebel has no clue.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>After 15 minutes (Athlon 1500+, 128 MB hash) Chest says "no mate in 12".
>>>With an EBF above 6 this extrapolates to 8 years for the mate in 19.
>>>Uhh.
>>>Not reachable for Chest, as is.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Heiner
>>
>>I am not so sure
>>Maybe chest is going to surprise us and find an alternative mate in 14.
>>
>>I also could not prove that there is no shorter mate then mate in 19 so I cannot
>>be sure that the mate in 19 that I found is really the shortest mate.
>
>There is no shorter mate than 19. It is very easy to solve but it is beautiful!
>
>Regards,
>Miguel

Did you prove it?

The only way is to prove that black can draw or force a checkmate after every
alternative to the original solution.

I found a mate in 19 by myself but I did not try to prove that it is the
shortest mate.

I need to prove that black can force at least a draw after moves like
1.Rc1,1.Rb1,1.Ra1 2.Nd6 when my program do not find a forced mate and
there is no option with the commercial programs to search for a forced mate or
repetition that may be an easier task.



Uri



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