Author: James T. Walker
Date: 10:44:31 03/10/02
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On March 10, 2002 at 10:15:48, Uri Blass wrote: >On March 10, 2002 at 08:31:36, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On March 10, 2002 at 00:44:31, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On March 09, 2002 at 21:57:06, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>On March 08, 2002 at 12:44:23, Andrew R. Case wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 07, 2002 at 08:19:43, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Just finished another match with Fritz 5.32. This time vs Junior 7 at Game/30 >>>>>>minutes. Both programs running on an Athlon 1.4G connected by auto232. Both >>>>>>programs had 128M hash and all 3/4/5 tablebases. Both programs running in the >>>>>>Junior 7 GUI. Final score is Junior 7 won by 34.5-31.5. As always PGN avaiable >>>>>>to anyone who wants it. >>>>>>Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I didn't know that Fritz5.32 supported tanlebases, at least it doesn't on >>>>>my system. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. >>>> >>>>Well I believe the GUI handles the tablebases when down to 5 men or less. I >>>>think Fritz 5.32 does not use tablebases at the leafs of the search like the >>>>newer programs do. >>>>Jim >>> >>>I believe that you are right and I believe that it is not fair. >>> >>>The gui should not use tablebases and only the engine should do it. >>> >>>I believe it is possible to solve the problem by telling the gui not to use >>>tablebases. >>> >>>The engine is going to continue to use it if "use tablebases" is in the engine >>>parameters so it will cause no problem to the new engines. >>> >>>Uri >> >>I'm not sure I understand why you say "it is not fair". Can you explain your >>stand on this issue? I see nothing unfair with this. I see the Chess Program >>as a combination of the engine and the GUI. I am using the Junior 7 GUI because >>it is more stable than the Fritz 5.32 GUI but they both used tablebases. >>Jim > > >I see the chess program as a combination of the engine and the original gui. >If a different gui produces different moves then I see it as unfair. > >Uri I have always viewed the incompetence of Chessbase as unfair to the engine programmers but that's another story. I don't think the improvement of Junior 7 over Fritz 5.32 is significant enough to make a large change in the outcome of the match. Consider the score of Fritz 5.32 vs Shredder 6 Classic. It was 78.5-35.5. Even using no tablebases at all will not greatly affect the outcome. I understand your reasoning but I see it as trivial. Jim
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