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Subject: Re: test position

Author: pavel

Date: 22:47:36 03/13/02

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On March 14, 2002 at 01:44:35, Slater Wold wrote:

>On March 14, 2002 at 00:45:13, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>How long does it take your program to show a positive eval for black from this
>>position?    black to move.
>>looking for this line:   16...0-0  17.Ke1 Qh4+  18.g3 Qf6  19.Bf4 Bf5
>>or  19...g5  or  19...d3
>>eval should go positive sometime after finding 19.Bf4
>>this position is six moves into the Nolot 6 test.
>> [D] 1Qbqk2r/1p3ppp/8/1p1Pp3/1PPpP1n1/P7/4K1PP/R1B2B1R b kq - 10 1
>>
>>
>>here is the complete game of the Nolot 6 test.
>>The Nolot 6 test starts with 13...axb5. but for now will you start with the
>>above position? please post your program with your results. i will make a note
>>of all results, and then i will repost later backing up one black move.
>>
>>[Date "1988"]
>>[White "Malaniuk, V"]
>>[Black "Ivanchuk, V"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[ECO "E20"]
>>
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. f3 d5 5. a3
>>Be7 6. e4 dxe4 7. fxe4 e5 8. d5 Ng4 9. Nf3
>>Bc5 10. b4 Bf2+ 11. Ke2 c5 12. Nb5 a6 13. Qa4
>>axb5 14. Qxa8 Bd4 15. Nxd4 cxd4 16. Qxb8 O-O 17. Ke1
>>Qh4+ 18. g3 Qf6 19. Bf4 g5 20. c5 exf4 21. Qd6
>>Qg7 22. Bd3 Ne5 23. Kd2 f3 24. Qe7 g4 25. Bxb5
>>Ng6 26. Qg5 h6 27. Qh5 d3 28. Bxd3 Re8 29. h3
>>Re5 30. hxg4 Rxh5 31. gxh5 Ne5 32. Rae1 Qg5+ 33. Kc2
>>f2 34. Rd1 Qe3  0-1
>>
>>kburcham
>
>A while ago, I posted a huge thread on DJ7 and another Nolot position.
>Basically because after MANY hours of looking at this same position, it became
>clear to me that it was a trick.
>
>Basically, there was a gimp move somewhere in the line that *no* computer would
>ever even think about evaluating because it was a joke.  However, it was in the
>line, and THAT is what made it impossible for most programs to find.

well, let me know if I am wrong, but isnt that the whole idea?

;)
pavs


>
>I tried looking for it, but couldn't find it.



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