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Subject: Re: Hiarcs 7.32 Scores better on the Hedlund test than Junior 7

Author: Joshua Lee

Date: 20:58:13 03/14/02

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>Yes a test can be devised;now however I would recommend BS 2830.You should also
>note that the top pogrames are very close in Strenght.And finally if you could
>accept computer as playing at 2700 elo(which I think you dont seeing your posts
>here ) it would help you own accessment immensely
Well i can accept that they are playing over 2400 strength as far as a Tactical
Type position, Positionally that is really hard to say just look at the losses
that Deep Junior on a freaking 8 way system, and look at the Games GM Van Wely
won against Rebel Century. At best in those 4 games just mentioned a computer
played 400elo less than the human and HOW badly the computer looses when they
do. I would except if i were you that Computers Do not know everything a GM
knows , when they can Play Positionally , when they don't even need an opening
book, when they don't make the wrong moves immediately when they get out of
book, when they leave very few test set positions unsolved. THEN you can think
about how strong they are. You probably think the SSDF list is totally accurate.

Yea  Fritz is as good as Capablanca.... NOT.

Tactically yes Computers can play as well as some GM's , Positionally , and
Endgame and even in the openings(if the comp is without it's book) no way.

If a comp just wins and draws against an average opponent with an elo of around
2430 , doen't make the Comp a GM.

Your basis on Programs being stronger is on many short matches with different
programs on different hardware instead of Lenthy matches which make the margin
of error much smaller.

As an example GM Wely can lose to a program that is within 400elo of himself
and That same program can beat GM Wely.

I must be a master because i've beaten masters at Blitz (2335elo).  No, but some
of the games were 30 to 5 minutes   5 to 2 minutes  , 5min, etc
I am not quite expert strength, I have Drawn WeakComp on ICC so I must be a
Master Like Every Computer is a GM.

Your logic is based on small matches. Get a Master to play 100 Games lets see
the score, probably the Computer would win.  Get an IM to play and the score
would be alot closer.

More interesting a topic than this is How many games are needed between two
opponents to tell which one is stronger and by how much?

Take Care



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