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Subject: Re: visual C.net

Author: martin fierz

Date: 11:52:24 03/15/02

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On March 15, 2002 at 10:24:34, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On March 15, 2002 at 00:54:23, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>aloha
>>
>>i think visual C.net is shipping now - has anybody already tested if the
>>compiler has improved over version 6.0?
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin
>
>yes visual c++ NET 7.0 is a joke for C anyway.
>
>In a database server to web conversion tool i compiled conversion
>from float to int already gets buggy when -O2 is used,
>with debug info it goes ok.
>
>This compiler is a joke everywhere. First of all looks of the interface,
>i do not like it. Secondly there are major bugs in creating projects,
>no way to create a project which you then can easily debug.
>
>Converting projects from msvc 6.0 goes ok and debugging them too.
>
>The real problem is the major bugs in the compiler. I don't know who wrote it,
>but it's a beginner who wrote it. Probably C/C++ compiler has no big
>priority anymore within visual c++ and they might have put their best
>man on the joke language C#, which is an obvious attempt to keep people
>away from getting cross platform in the future, after the successfull
>attempt of JAVA from SUN in this direction.
>
>When i compile diep with 7.0 i can't express very well what i feel when
>i see its output. Loads of eval code gets wrong compiled, loads of
>patterns give unexpected results back, even though it is very neatly
>coded code with pointers.
>
>Again the same problem arises which weirdly is in nearly all compilers
>that are tricked to do better on the specbenches: allocate some
>2 dimensional arrays from your own datatypes. then keep reusing 2
>variables to loop through all those arrays.
>
>It simply creates wrong code here. Amazingly it doesn't crash.
>
>Really pathetic is it is impossible to create a simple project which
>can get debugged without modifying loads of options.
>
>Designers of the user interface must be shipped back to school too. They
>are using Internet Explorer look and feel, something which i do not like.
>
>Now about speed of the compiler. It generates 2% slower code than
>visual c++ 6.0 sp4 with processor pack.
>
>When i realized this I have thrown the compiler out of my window of course,
>for a compiler which creates bugs in my program i have no respect, a
>compiler which generates slower code AND bugs, that's really too much
>for me.
>
>Best regards,
>Vincent


oh, that sounds really terrible... so i guess we'll have to wait for 7.1 or
something... i was also afraid that microsoft would work more on their .net
attempt to kill java and on C# than on the C compiler, but i would not have
imagined that it would actually get worse! but then, what do you expect from
microsoft :-)

aloha
  martin



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