Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:33:09 03/16/02
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On March 16, 2002 at 13:06:30, EARL R. FULLER wrote: >The quest for the perfect chess playing program may be only a few years away, it >would appear that the programs on the market today, ( Shredder, Fritz, etc. ) >are all but unbeatable, except for the top GM. Yes, it's true players like >myself, can at times, have a respectable game against these top programs, >however for the average club player they are unbeatable ! >That brings me to options in the program ! What we need now, are programs, that >can match club players strength, say from 1300 uscf to 2150 uscf, and play like >they really are rated at that level. Chessmaster 8000 comes close ! But still >needs some inprovement to play more human like, when you reduce the strength to >try to match your rating. 1)I see no reason to expect programs to play more human like. Why do you need the opponent to play in the same way that humans play. If you want to play against humans you can play against them and not against computers. The only reason that I see to play against computers is if you want to play against something that does not play like human. 2)I remember that I read that some people claim that Rebel has the most human like style in the weak level. I do not know and the only way to know is to try turing test. I did not feel that Rebel at the weak level play human like because I believe that it never does stupid tactical blunders(I mean to blunders of 1 ply search) Humans sometimes do these blunders but other programs that do stupid blunders also do not play humans like because they do not do the typical blunders that humans do. In order to do a program that plays like a weak human it is necessary to investigate the kind of blunders that humans do in order to tell the program to do similiar blunders. I do not consider it as important(see above). >Shredder 4, 5, and 6 when playing at full strengh ( and other programs ) are so >strong, that their moves are meaningless to the aversge player, be honest with >yourself now, lolololol >So, wouldn't it be nice for the programmers to concentrate on more meaningful >options, that would better match the strengh of the aversge player? I think so! >What do you think ? What sort of improvements in the options of programs, that >would help your game, would you like to see? >Earl I think that the average player can download a lot of free weak programs like tscp if the target is to play against something that is weak. If tscp is not weak enough there are weaker free programs like Nero and even weaker programs that play at 1400 level. Uri
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