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Subject: Re: The chess message that got deleted after the post again

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:36:37 03/19/02

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On March 19, 2002 at 03:22:13, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 19, 2002 at 00:25:10, Jerry Doby wrote:
>
>>On March 18, 2002 at 23:59:28, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>On March 18, 2002 at 23:54:16, Jerry Doby wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 18, 2002 at 23:42:52, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 18, 2002 at 23:27:15, Jerry Doby wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 18, 2002 at 22:47:20, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On March 18, 2002 at 18:05:02, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On March 18, 2002 at 17:17:09, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>DeepFritz (2565) - Gulko (2703) [C03]
>>>>>>>>>18.03.2002
>>>>>>>>>[H,Olaf]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 b6 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.c4 Bb7 7.cxd5 Bxd5 8.Bc4 Be7
>>>>>>>>>9.Bxd5 exd5 10.Nf1 Nf8 11.Ne3 Ne6 12.Qa4+ c6 13.0-0 0-0 14.Nf5 Re8 15.Be3 Bf8
>>>>>>>>>16.Rac1 a5 17.Rfd1 Ra7 18.Rd2 h6 19.Qd1 Rd7 20.Qb3 Kh7 21.Qd3 g6 22.Ng3 c5
>>>>>>>>>23.Nh5 c4 24.Qb1 Be7 25.Nf4 Na6 26.Nxe6 fxe6 27.h4 Bxh4 28.b3 b5 29.a4 bxa4
>>>>>>>>>30.bxc4 Nb4 31.c5 a3 32.Qb3 a2 33.Rb2 Rf7 34.Bd2 Ref8 35.Qe3 Kg8 36.Nxh4 Qxh4
>>>>>>>>>37.Bxb4 axb4 38.Rxa2 Rf4 39.g3 Qg4 40.c6 Rxd4 41.Qxh6 b3 42.Rb2 Rd1+ 43.Rxd1
>>>>>>>>>Qxd1+ 44.Kh2 Qh5+ 45.Qxh5 gxh5 46.Kh3 Kg7 47.Rxb3 Rxf2 48.Rc3 Rf8 49.Kh4 Kg6
>>>>>>>>>50.g4 hxg4 51.Kxg4 Rc8 52.Kf4 Rd8 53.Rc1 Ra8 54.Rg1+ Kf7 55.Ke3 Ra6 56.Rc1 Ra8
>>>>>>>>>57.Kd4 Ke7 58.Kc5 Ra2 59.Rg1 Rc2+ 60.Kb6 Rb2+ 61.Kc7 d4 62.Rg7+ Kf8 63.Rg4 d3
>>>>>>>>>64.Kd7 d2 65.Rd4 1-0
>>>>>>>>Inthe coming days this guy will be toasted.This is not the mid 90's anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I hope you're not basing this on this game. It looks like he made a blunder when
>>>>>>>the ending was an easy draw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Yes Gulko blundered and that is exactly why humans lose chess games, they make
>>>>>>many mistakes that computers will never make, the humans strategical
>>>>>>understanding does not make up for the frequency of their tactical blunders. One
>>>>>>can also ask if the draw was so easy, why didn't 2600 elo Veteran G.M. Gulko
>>>>>>draw????
>>>>>
>>>>>Time trouble.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obviously another Human Shortcomming, I recall the time trouble excuse was also
>>>>used by Van wely supporters against Rebel, so what should we now do, expand the
>>>>time control to 40 moves in 3 hrs?
>>>
>>>It seems you find the win convincing. I don't. We disagree, so there's nothing
>>>more to say.
>>
>>
>>  A Win is a Win Airhead!! You just can't face the fact the programs are getting
>>stronger then humans, if you want to continue ignoring the truth feel free.
>
>
>Posters have no right to do personal attack and
>apologize at the same post and it is exactly what happen in the reply to the
>post that I reply to.
>
>I am going to post after it only the chess part that is the relevant
>but is going to be deleted because it is after the personal attacks.
>
>Uri


Here is the messdage of terry and the response of other people that
I deleted

The first message of terry(41...Rd1+) included
a personal attack that was not deleted so I had to delete it.

The message after it did not include a personal attack and maybe
I could avoid deleting it but I did it so I post the chess message again.

Uri

Posted by Terry McCracken (Profile) on March 19, 2002 at 01:38:02:

In Reply to: Re: Fritz 7 - Gulko 1-0 !! posted by Kurt Utzinger on March 19,
2002 at 01:25:57:


On March 19, 2002 at 01:25:57, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On March 19, 2002 at 01:00:20, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>
>>41...Rd1+ 42.Rxd1 Qxd1+ 43.Kh2 Qh5+ 44.Qxh5 gxh5  is a draw, if played
>>correctly.
>>
>>41.b3 is not the best, it loses tempo, but not lost either.
>>
>>I was surprised Gulko played 41..b3?
>>
>>Terry
>
>I think you are right. In the line 41...Rd1+ White misses an important tempo to
>gain black's passed b-pawn.
>Kurt

It looks that way to me, and you see the problem as well.

Here's the position I'd like to see the comps. analyze.

[D]5rk1/8/2P1p1pQ/3pP3/1p1r2q1/6P1/R4P2/2R3K1 b - - 0 41













Terry





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