Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 12:36:24 03/19/02
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On March 19, 2002 at 13:48:40, K. Burcham wrote: >On March 19, 2002 at 11:18:40, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: > >>I think that some GMs are making a mistake in some encounters against >>computers when they play at a slow pace or semi-slow. >>Some GMs are very good at opening theory, particularly with the ones they play. >>It look like they are mislead to think that computers are so strong in this >>phase of the game since they have a huge database to support it. >>The truth is that it is basically the same (in this phase of the opening) >>as just having a good (paper) book in your hand. Nothing else. >>Some GMs are way much stronger than computers, since they have >>their own theory, novelties etc. However, it looks like they want to avoid >>a theoretical battle. Big mistake in my opinion. >>If a GM feels comfortable with a certain opening, it should go right to that >>opening. It will save time to the GM, the game will be in his waters. If the >>computer make an inaccuracy in the first move out of book, the GM will be able >>to take an edge at that moment. Otherwise, the GM will be in the middlegame >>that he/she has studied hundreds of time (with more time on the clock). >> >>Regards, >>Miguel > >I think these type of games where the GM plays out of book, or leaves book early >can make for interesting games. I know that Kasparov tried this with Deep Blue. >Do you know of any games where a GM has done this with a program? > >Do you have any examples that you would share with us, where a very high rated >GM played out of book with another very high rated GM, and the opponent played >into a trap, or lost material that led to a loss. maybe where a GM played out of >book and gained position that led to a win. Some GMs have been playing "out of book" very often, but actually, they were playin in "in their own books". Larsen and Miles comes to mind, Petrosian sometimes. The most weird of all has been Suttles from Canada. In fact, he looked like he was playing anticomputer chess most of the time! (against GMs) The most extreme case probably Karpov Miles 1.e4 a6!? and Miles won! >also it would seem that your points are not a secret. these points you make I >would think any GM would know to try this at home with his program. >dont you think Gulko would be doing this if possible? Gulko, I think, is a particular case. He is very good at playing "out of book", or unorthodox openings. In other words, he has been very creative many times. In his case, it might be a good idea to get out of book soon. However, that means more moves to *think* and he has been in time trouble. That is something to consider. >do you think Miguel, that Gulko is strong enough to learn several lines or >variations at home to try this in this match he is in? >I know your rating is good. Have you ever tried to play a program on strong >hardware with opening book off? it would be interesting to see 10 games posted >here where you played with book off. I am not a good example because I am rustier that the Titanic. I played few times against crafty at home blitz games and I am terrible because I am not focused and I hang a piece 1/2 games (the TV is on, my family is around, you get the picture). Against older versions of crafty, it was terrible when out of book (versions 11.x if I remember correctly). It was easy for me to get a huge positional advantage that I sometimes blew later. Maybe I should play some serious games but the computer will beat me, I guess. It might be fun, but I should set the proper environment. Regards, Miguel >kburcham
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