Author: pavel
Date: 11:54:44 03/20/02
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On March 20, 2002 at 13:07:55, James T. Walker wrote: >On March 20, 2002 at 10:26:08, Jonas Cohonas wrote: > >>On March 20, 2002 at 09:43:45, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On March 20, 2002 at 06:24:14, Steve Maughan wrote: >>> >>>>The version of HIARCS used is the new one - HIARCS 8, which may well be up with >>>>the top engines. It has been planned for release any time now. According to >>>>sources close to HIARCS the ChessBase company rates the new HIARCS engine second >>>>only to Fritz 7. We'll have to see but it has been a while since HIARCS 7.32 >>>>was launched (May 99) and Mark Uniacke could have made quite a bit of progress >>>>in the last three years. >>>> >>>>Steve >>> >>>" ChessBase company rates the new HIARCS engine second only to Fritz 7." >>> >>>That's interesting. I didn't know that. I think it's funny since I rate Fritz >>>7 second only to Chess Tiger 14.0. Never the less, I'm looking forward to the >>>new Hiarcs. >>>Jim >> >>Chesstiger 14.0 is very strong, but all my testings and others i have seen too, >>indicates that Fritz 7b is actually the strongest of the two. >> >>Regards >>Jonas > >Hello Jonas, >You may be right but, I believe most of the testing you are referring to was >done on one computer with ponder off. In my opinion the only thing you prove >with this setup is which is stronger in this setup. This setup is not a "real >world" situation. No programs actually compete this way except in these home >test. I am basically referring to "Blitz" time controls since that is where I >have the most "experience". In my database Chess Tiger 14.0 is still about 8 >points ahead of Fritz 7 and both have played 1300/1400 + games vs various >opponents using two Athlon computers/auto232. In my "Action" database which is >mostly game/25 or game/30 minutes Chess Tiger is leading Fritz 7 by 19 ELO but I >have less than 200 games each. In my "Standard" database Fritz 7 is leading CT >14 by more than 50 points but again I only have150/200 games each. These >databases where the number of games is low is very volatile since the next >series of games by either program tends to change the rating by fairly large >amounts. Basically I'm leaving the "longer" time control testing up to SSDF >since they can do much more than I can. The bottom line for me is that they are >so close that we may never know for sure which is strongest. But it's OK for us >to have different opinions and its understandable since we have different >experiences. >Regards, >Jim I have seen many test set up in many types of machine including blitz and standard, in one or two machine and with ponder=on and off, in many rating lists. I perticipate in all top ICS, (iregularly), and from the results on fritz ICS server from several 100s opponents playing with several humdreds setups with fritz7, I can only say fritz7 is better than shredder6 as well as it is than chesstiger 14. this is a "fact". you might want to check up this thread. http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?218204 ;) pavs
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