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Subject: Re: Chess Tiger versus Gulko

Author: pavel

Date: 11:54:44 03/20/02

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On March 20, 2002 at 13:07:55, James T. Walker wrote:

>On March 20, 2002 at 10:26:08, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>
>>On March 20, 2002 at 09:43:45, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On March 20, 2002 at 06:24:14, Steve Maughan wrote:
>>>
>>>>The version of HIARCS used is the new one - HIARCS 8, which may well be up with
>>>>the top engines.  It has been planned for release any time now.  According to
>>>>sources close to HIARCS the ChessBase company rates the new HIARCS engine second
>>>>only to Fritz 7.  We'll have to see but it has been a while since HIARCS 7.32
>>>>was launched (May 99) and Mark Uniacke could have made quite a bit of progress
>>>>in the last three years.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>>" ChessBase company rates the new HIARCS engine second only to Fritz 7."
>>>
>>>That's interesting.  I didn't know that.  I think it's funny since I rate Fritz
>>>7 second only to Chess Tiger 14.0.  Never the less, I'm looking forward to the
>>>new Hiarcs.
>>>Jim
>>
>>Chesstiger 14.0 is very strong, but all my testings and others i have seen too,
>>indicates that Fritz 7b is actually the strongest of the two.
>>
>>Regards
>>Jonas
>
>Hello Jonas,
>You may be right but,  I believe most of the testing you are referring to was
>done on one computer with ponder off.  In my opinion the only thing you prove
>with this setup is which is stronger in this setup.  This setup is not a "real
>world" situation.  No programs actually compete this way except in these home
>test.  I am basically referring to "Blitz" time controls since that is where I
>have the most "experience".  In my database Chess Tiger 14.0 is still about 8
>points ahead of Fritz 7 and both have played 1300/1400 + games vs various
>opponents using two Athlon computers/auto232.  In my "Action" database which is
>mostly game/25 or game/30 minutes Chess Tiger is leading Fritz 7 by 19 ELO but I
>have less than 200 games each.  In my "Standard" database Fritz 7 is leading CT
>14 by more than 50 points but again I only have150/200 games each.  These
>databases where the number of games is low is very volatile since the next
>series of games by either program tends to change the rating by fairly large
>amounts.  Basically I'm leaving the "longer" time control testing up to SSDF
>since they can do much more than I can.  The bottom line for me is that they are
>so close that we may never know for sure which is strongest.  But it's OK for us
>to have different opinions and its understandable since we have different
>experiences.
>Regards,
>Jim

I have seen many test set up in many types of machine including blitz and
standard, in one or two machine and with ponder=on and off, in many rating
lists. I perticipate in all top ICS, (iregularly), and from the results on fritz
ICS server from several 100s opponents playing with several humdreds setups with
fritz7, I can only say fritz7 is better than shredder6 as well as it is than
chesstiger 14.

this is a "fact".

you might want to check up this thread.
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?218204

;)

pavs



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