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Subject: Re: An interesting commentary by GM Gulko

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 12:50:51 03/20/02

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On March 20, 2002 at 15:40:18, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On March 20, 2002 at 15:29:29, Sune Fischer wrote:
>[snip]
>>Sure, but still finite mind you :)
>>I get the feeling that some people do not fully understand the meaning of
>>_infinite_ ;)
>
>True enough.  Even a single draw in 1e1000000000 games will drub a perfect score
>ELO.  The point I was making was that the size of ELO figures is irrelevant.  In
>fact, it would make a lot of sense to have the average player get an ELO of
>zero.
>
>Unfortunately, this sort of list won't make anyone happy:
>
>    Program             Elo   +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
>  1 Yace 0.99.50     :  307   31 106   189    86.5 %    -15   12.2 %
>  2 AnMon-509        :  268   41 102   124    81.9 %      6   15.3 %
>  3 Amy-07           :  224   36 109   159    83.0 %    -52    8.8 %
>  4 ZChess-222       :  216   31  77   229    79.5 %    -19   12.2 %
>  5 ZChess-120       :  176   35  72   194    75.8 %    -22   14.4 %
>  6 WildCat-257      :  147   46  83   120    74.6 %    -40   17.5 %
>  7 FranWB-090       :  142   55  82    96    69.3 %      1   17.7 %
>  8 Yace-020         :  133   37  64   192    70.6 %    -19   14.1 %
>  9 FRANWB-081       :  104   37  60   210    67.6 %    -24   11.4 %
> 10 Amyan-1423       :   69   28  40   391    64.3 %    -33   13.0 %
> 11 Fortress-162     :   -8   48  40   205    51.5 %    -18   22.0 %
> 12 Faile-14         :  -58   46  45   202    44.8 %    -21   15.3 %
> 13 Amyan-111        :  -60   36  33   352    42.8 %     -9   13.9 %
> 14 Aldebaran-070    : -190   51  26   358    27.4 %    -21   12.8 %
> 15 31337-30         : -250   93  32   199    19.3 %     -2    7.5 %

Hehe, guess it won't, but now that we have programs that can perform at a
constant strength, we could "define" crafty version X on Y hardware to e.g. 2500
elo and then scale everything by that.
But then ratings aren't very precise to begin with...

-S.



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