Author: Slater Wold
Date: 20:26:53 03/20/02
You've done a lot for me over the last week or so, so I sat down with a GM friend on ICC and had him look over this position for you. I removed the GM's name to protect him since he plays on ICC frequently. He is 2560+. If you'd like to know his name, I will tell you. I thought everyone might like to see his thoughts, that's why I didn't just e-mail this to you. While it's not the most detailed explanation in the world, I think it will help. I started a new thread, just to make sure you saw this. So here it is, the start position is: [D]r2q1rk1/pbp1bppp/1p2pn2/8/3P1B2/2PB1N2/PP2QPPP/R4RK1 b - - 0 1 --- Log begins (C:\Program Files\Internet Chess Club\BlitzIn 2\GM.txt) --- (GM) kibitzes: ok (GM) kibitzes: mex me please mex (GM) (GM) is now an examiner of game 165. Project(C) kibitzes: there you go. ok, i set the board up now (kibitzed to 2 people) (I setup the board.) (GM) kibitzes: ok this pos ? Project(C) kibitzes: Yes. This is it. (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: aha (GM) kibitzes: no forced victory , no extra queen :)) Project(C) kibitzes: And here is the question: c5 is the correct move here. (after looking at it forever) but WHY! (kibitzed to 3 people) Project(C) kibitzes: lol (kibitzed to 3 people) Project(C) kibitzes: No. :( Project(C) kibitzes: haha! it is black to move. ;( (kibitzed to 3 people) tomove black Game 165: Project sets the position so it is Black to move. (GM) kibitzes: so this ? Project(C) kibitzes: c5 is is best here, correct? (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: i think so (GM) kibitzes: i would play Project(C) kibitzes: ok, now simple question: why! (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: why c5 is best ? Project(C) kibitzes: yes (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: because its only active plan for black (GM) kibitzes: if black play passive (GM) kibitzes: re8 Game 165: (GM) moves: Re8 Game 165: (GM) moves: Rad1 (GM) kibitzes: then rd1 (GM) kibitzes: and c5 cant be played Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) moves: Rad1 (GM) kibitzes: if black play passiveb (GM) kibitzes: then starts Project(C) kibitzes: ok. so what's the plan after c5? (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: attack Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) moves: c5 (GM) kibitzes: plan is to finish development (GM) kibitzes: actually white stands better (GM) kibitzes: so black dont have very active plans (GM) kibitzes: idea is bf3 actually Game 165: (GM) moves: Rad1 Game 165: (GM) moves: Bxf3 Game 165: (GM) moves: Qxf3 Game 165: (GM) moves: cxd4 Game 165: (GM) moves: cxd4 Game 165: (GM) moves: Nd5 (GM) kibitzes: etc (GM) kibitzes: here black stands ok (GM) kibitzes: weak izolated pawn Project(C) kibitzes: ok (kibitzed to 3 people) Project(C) kibitzes: i am just looking.....amazment. ;) (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: :) Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) moves: Be5 (GM) kibitzes: this though Project(C) kibitzes: so c5 for development. and to get the isolated pawn? (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. (GM) kibitzes: yep idea Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) moves: dxc5 Game 165: (GM) moves: Bxc5 Game 165: (GM) moves: Rad1 Game 165: (GM) moves: Qe7 Project(C) kibitzes: what about...... (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: Project backs up 1. Game 165: Project backs up 1. (GM) kibitzes: no was b4 Project(C) kibitzes: ok (kibitzed to 3 people) Project(C) kibitzes: ok (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: (GM) moves: Rad1 Game 165: (GM) moves: Nd5 (GM) kibitzes: probably this (GM) kibitzes: but actually anyway white stands better Game 165: (GM) moves: Bc1 Project(C) kibitzes: what about..... (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: Project backs up 1. Game 165: Project backs up 1. Game 165: Project backs up 1. (GM) kibitzes: i like white (GM) kibitzes: aha You're at the end of the game. Game 165: Project moves: Rad1 Game 165: Project moves: Qc8 Project(C) kibitzes: good? bad? ugly? (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: (GM) moves: Ne5 (GM) kibitzes: only way :) (GM) kibitzes: for black (GM) kibitzes: ugly :) (GM) kibitzes: but its only way :) Project(C) kibitzes: lol (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: Project moves: Rd8 Game 165: (GM) moves: Bg5 (GM) kibitzes: i dont like black much Game 165: (GM) moves: Be7 Project(C) kibitzes: i was thinking...... (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: Project backs up 1. Game 165: Project moves: Kf8 (GM) kibitzes: aha ... Game 165: (GM) moves: Bxf6 Game 165: (GM) moves: gxf6 Game 165: (GM) moves: Nxf7 Game 165: (GM) moves: Qc6 Game 165: (GM) moves: Be4 Project(C) kibitzes: lol (kibitzed to 3 people) Project(C) kibitzes: geez (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: u are comp u can find it better :)) Game 165: (GM) moves: Qxe4 Game 165: (GM) moves: Qxe4 Game 165: (GM) moves: Bxe4 Game 165: (GM) moves: Nxd8 (GM) kibitzes: sems o (GM) kibitzes: ok for white Project(C) kibitzes: lol (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) moves: Kxf7 Game 165: (GM) moves: Qh5+ Game 165: (GM) moves: Kf8 Game 165: (GM) moves: Qh6+ Game 165: (GM) moves: Ke7 Game 165: (GM) moves: Qxh7+ Game 165: (GM) moves: Kd6 Project(C) kibitzes: white is still better. no matter. :( (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: (GM) moves: Be4+ (GM) kibitzes: winning Game 165: (GM) moves: Bd5 Game 165: (GM) moves: c4 (GM) kibitzes: etc (GM) kibitzes: so (GM) kibitzes: in start position (GM) kibitzes: white stands clearly better (GM) kibitzes: as for me Project(C) kibitzes: very nice. so in start, black is bad. and probably cannot get better? (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: i would not play c5 Game 165: (GM) backs up 22. (begining) (GM) kibitzes: dont have good idea Game 165: (GM) moves: Rc8 (GM) kibitzes: something like this (GM) kibitzes: anyway white stands better (GM) kibitzes: yep if play correct for both sides Project(C) kibitzes: i understand. (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: then white will have advantage (GM) kibitzes: u are right :) Project(C) kibitzes: what about Bd6 here? (kibitzed to 3 people) Project(C) kibitzes: not here, at start (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Game 165: (GM) moves: Bd6 Game 165: (GM) moves: Ne5 (GM) kibitzes: white will not exchange of course :) Game 165: (GM) backs up 1. Project(C) kibitzes: ;) (kibitzed to 3 people) Game 165: (GM) moves: Bg5 Project(C) kibitzes: depends on who i am playing! (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: still big advantage Project(C) kibitzes: yes. (kibitzed to 3 people) (GM) kibitzes: no (GM) kibitzes: logical is not exchange (GM) kibitzes: white stands better END Later in personal tells that did not get logged, he said that if played perfectly, black had very little chance to win this. However, he thought a draw was very possible, if white played passive. There you go, I hoped it helps. ;)
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