Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 05:19:28 03/21/02
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On March 20, 2002 at 18:35:07, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>The point is that you do not need to prove that you play perfect game >>>>>in order to play perfect game and I guess that both 1.e4 and 1.d4 >>>>>lead to draw. >>>> >>>>Sure all you need to play perfect is luck, but how will you _know_ that you play >>>>the perfect game, you can't even tell which is better of e4 and d4? :) >>>> >>>>-S. >>> >>>I cannot know but if I see that I never lose games I am going to start to >>>suspect that I play perfect. >>> >>>It is not a proof but if I lose games when I do not always win with one of the >>>colors then it is a proof that I do not play perfect. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Well unless you're playing perfect opponent, then you might win (almost) every >>game without perfect play. >> >>I think this is the problem we face today with Kasparov, how close is he to >>perfect play. We can't really say since there is nothing above him to make a >>reference to. >>Suppose the engine you build is 3500, it will win almost all games with just a >>seldom draw now and then, but if perfect play is 4000 there is still a long way >>to go, you'll just never realize it. >>Anything that is 500 elo stronger than the opponents will appear almost perfect >>IMO. >> >>-S. > >If I see that the results of it against itslef is always the same and more time >does not help then I am going to suspect that it plays perfect. > >Today things like this do not happen. But suspecting is one thing, knowing is something different :) I think you need to go beyond to see if further improvement is possible, who knows maybe its style of play would be too passive to produce anything but draws against itself. If you did have a device that could in 1 hour produce what you suspect is the perfect move, we could build a similar device and give it a month to ponder each move. If these still draw each other, then I would begin to suspect you are right. >Uri
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