Author: Chessfun
Date: 15:47:14 03/22/02
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On March 22, 2002 at 14:09:30, K. Burcham wrote: >On March 22, 2002 at 12:05:31, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>Sarah I'm impressed by your list. >> >>Great job! >> >>I'm also impressed by Fritz7 performance. Frans and the CB team deserve >>congratulations. >> >>I will try to catch up with Tiger 15. We will see. >> >> >> Christophe > > >After talking to Sarah a few times, I get the impression that her tournaments >are professionally managed. She has very good program knowledge, software >knowledge, and most importantly is particular and honest. (difficult to tell on >the internet---but that is the impression I get) > >Having come to the above conclusions, then I do not understand why some here >have post with tiger very low in their tournaments. > >My personal conclusion: difficult for me to believe any tournament results >posted here other than Sarah's and Jonas's tournaments. > >And another thing, I have noticed this also with Shredder results in tournaments >posted here. Some will have Shredder at the top and others will have Shredder >close to the bottom of their list. >Tiger and Shredder: getting conflicting tournament results of program strength. Without doubt IMO Tiger is one of the very best programs at any time control. I myself like to see programs use the books they came with (Optimized), that way all results can be easily seen as comparative or comparable. Shredder 6 especially is an odd one. The SSDF using AMD 1200's have it first after a lot of tournament games. On my AMD 1200's it currently sits slightly below 5.32 after 198 games at 40'/40. Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws 1 Fritz 7a : 2651 45 41 169 61.2 % 2571 37.3 % 2 Fritz 7 : 2638 43 39 187 60.4 % 2564 37.4 % 3 Gambit Tiger 2.0 : 2637 23 20 657 60.7 % 2561 40.9 % 4 Fritz 7b : 2634 49 42 150 60.0 % 2563 38.7 % 5 Fritz 7 (No MMX) : 2631 49 36 162 58.0 % 2575 44.4 % 6 Chess Tiger 14.0 : 2625 26 20 544 57.4 % 2573 43.0 % 7 Junior 7 : 2619 35 30 333 54.5 % 2588 29.1 % 8 Deep Fritz : 2618 29 23 475 55.9 % 2577 36.4 % 9 Gambit Tiger 1.0 : 2586 36 29 321 55.0 % 2551 33.3 % 10 Gandalf 5.1 : 2585 63 40 125 50.4 % 2582 43.2 % 11 Shredder 5.32 : 2579 49 35 198 50.5 % 2576 33.3 % 12 Shredder 6 : 2574 48 34 198 52.0 % 2560 37.4 % Actually I believe that Shredder 6's results in the SSDF will fall and it will end up eventually below some of the others. A lot like Tiger 14, which eventually rose to become the top program. Sometimes the program may have played another which it does poorly against even though it could be best overall. The Tiger 14 v Chessmaster 8000 games come to mind as preventing Tiger 14 taking 1st place at the SSDF earlier. >I know some of these are different game times. Blitz, lightning, standard, etc. >I was comparing same game times. and please dont tell me you have to have play >938.2 games to draw any conclusions. > >another personal conclusion: If I run a tournament and my results are very >different than Sarah's----I will not post the results. I will look for software >problems, ram problems with memory hogs, cpu problems with cpu hogs, ponder on >issues, pc connection issues, etc. >kburcham Thanks for all your nice words. Sarah.
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