Author: James T. Walker
Date: 15:31:32 03/23/02
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On March 23, 2002 at 17:11:31, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On March 23, 2002 at 10:45:29, James T. Walker wrote: > >>>In fact, people have said the exact same thing as you 2-3 years ago, >>>and I only see CSTal getting worse compared to new programs, not better. >>> >>>-- >>>GCP > >do you really believe that CSTal is as stupid as Fritz7 is ? The quote above was not mine so you have misrepresented my post by cutting and pasting here something I did not post. I never said CSTal was stupid. > >> It didn't happen. He gave up. I guess it was more than he >>could handle. > >really ? If he did not give up then where is the re-write? >what do you think is the elo difference between CSTal and Fritz7 >on todays machines ? I have not tested CSTal-2.03 lately except what I have posted recently. The last time I tested it was more than 100 ELO below Fritz if I rember correctly. >please CSTal dos vs Fritz and CSTal win vs. Fritz7. > >CSTal Dos is from 1996. CSTal Win is from 1999. So what is your point? What are you trying to say? I don't have CSTal DOS. >Fritz7.0.0.6 is from this year. > >CSTal dos arround 33.000-35.000 NPS on my 1200 mhz maschines. > >And there are many other programs i know, that play much better than >Fritz7. Known programs and unknown programs. > Well that may be but the SSDF hasn't been able to prove it and neither have you. >Fritz7 plays in a different league than Shredder6 and especially Shredder6 >Paderborn does. > Remains to be proven at 40/2 but at blitz I can prove Shredder is not as strong as Fritz 7. > >> Sometimes the search baloons and CSTal can't handle the tactics. >>It needed a complete re-write to speed up it's search. > >speed up?? > >why ? Why? Because Chris himself told me this. Who knows more about CSTal than Chris? Certainly not you. > >33.000 NPS is enough for fritz. >Because Fritz is artificial stupidity. And CSTal is artificial snail. It is interesting and fun to play and sometimes plays brilliantly but against other computers like Fritz it gets out searched and loses more often than not. I still think the first game loss was due to a poor book. In the second game it had a better opening and played to a draw. Two games tell you nothing. > >you don't want to relate this to shredder, or ? > >How much elo difference you believe you have on 1200 mhz ? Don't know. I haven't tested it lately. Used to be 100+ ELO. Now maybe a little less, maybe a little more. When I ran it on ICC it was constantly 100-200 below top commercial programs. This was on a K6-2-350 and later a K6-3-450. CSTal may have been ahead of it's time but it's not going to catch up with modern programs by just adding faster hardware. As Chris said, it needs a re-write.
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