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Subject: Re: Computers vs. Humans - meaningless?

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 14:08:23 03/25/02

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On March 25, 2002 at 14:40:39, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On March 25, 2002 at 14:30:01, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>
>>Actually the Computers are stronger than the strongest Human players.Human chess
>>has too many weaknesses.But the funny thing is that every time a GM loses to a
>>Machine ;there is an excuse.Sometimes even other people angry at the machine win
>>come up with excuses for the GM.For example GM Rhode believes that Kasparovs
>>loss to Deeper Blue in 1997 was because he was having a bad day.
>>If a chess player comes up with an excuse everytime he loses a game he is
>>indirectly claiming perfection.Computers still dont play perfect chess;but
>>Human chess is FAR FAR FAR from perfect.
>
>You got it, I applaude.
>
>Ed

I'm afraid I don't concur. I do think that computers are better than most human
players and have reached the GM level marginally, (anti-computer play
notwithstanding), but have not become better than the very elite.

When Kramnik defeats Deep Fritz in their upcoming match, then what will people
say?

People can and sometimes do have legitimate excuses, computers OTOH don't unless
the system goes down:o)

I'll also add that strong masters, not even grandmasters who play alot of
computer chess, will fair better than strong grandmasters who don't play
computers often.

Why, you may ask? Well computers and humans are very different in their approach
to chess, and the human must adapt to the computer. When the human master or
grandmaster becomes more and more familiar with computer play and different
programmes his/her score against them will rise.

If Kramnik plays a considerable amount of computer chess than the odds of him
losing to a computer diminishes, as he now understands the methods to employ
against them.

People still learn, adapt better than any so-called A.I. system yet created.
In a decade A.I. may help machines defeat humans in chess, maybe entirely?
In 50 years I almost certain they will! But today the edge and "intelligence" is
with the human player not the machine.

Terry



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