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Subject: Re: Hammer info. And som SMP musings.

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 07:37:30 03/26/02

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On March 26, 2002 at 10:08:17, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On March 26, 2002 at 09:49:39, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On March 25, 2002 at 08:48:54, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>All i know from the hammer is that i can't buy it in the store coming
>>year. I can buy right now an XP2000.
>>
>>If you wanna buy a hammer, i would by the way buy a McKinley instead
>>with a compiler that produces optimal code for the mckinley.
>>
>>So let's focus upon processors that are for real and working right now.
>
>Why?
>I responded to a post[*] that claimed the 64-bit Hammer chip would only bring
>chess programs 10-15% speed increase. I said I expected a lot more.
>My reasons are that the Hammer will be introduced at around 2 GHz, and if it can
>deliver the same performance clock for clock as the Alpha, then is should be a
>lot faster than those 15%. That is that, we'll see when it comes out who was
>right.
>You argument about what is presently the fastet chip is _irrelevant_ IMO.

my argument is that the big and advanced branch prediction of the
alpha and the 4 instructions versus 3 of the alpha and the huge
L1 and L2 caches of it, add to that cheating on specbench; all that
together brings 33% speedup compared to a 32 bits processor.

I do not see the 32 to 64 bits speedup for the alpha at all. For sure
not a factor 2 as claimed at some places.

If you claim 10-15% that's already a far smaller claim than other
claims i saw here, majority is still claiming factor 2 to my amazement.

Truth is that it is way harder to clock a 64 bits processor at 3Ghz
than it is to clock a 32 bits processor at 3Ghz.

We will see when we can afford processors that are 64 bits AND doing
that faster than 32 bits equivalents.

>[*]http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?219258
>
>-S.
>
>>Let's not focus upon processors from which it is not sure whether they
>>are fast and even less sure when they are in the shops. the step from K6
>>to K7 was big for AMD, but not nearly as big as from K7 to hammer
>>(unless they have a sucking design for 64 bits).
>>
>>Also the P4 on paper was a great processor, when it was released it
>>was a major failure.
>>
>>Nevertheless, let's focus upon what is in the shops of today. Hammer isn't
>>there. Just like the K7 took many years before it was actually produced.
>
>>>-S.



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