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Subject: Re: I think it's pretty Common Knowledge now

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:21:50 03/27/02

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On March 27, 2002 at 17:09:27, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On March 27, 2002 at 13:09:16, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On March 27, 2002 at 12:52:27, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On March 27, 2002 at 10:04:32, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please name just one. The most well known Roman himself under the Jrlok handle
>>>>>>has a score of +1 =0 -5 against Rebelrex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>
>>>>>Those are biltz games, and if 3/0 them bullet,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>3/0 is still blitz, however thse were 5/12.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and comps. are better at bullet
>>>>>then almost anyone!
>>>>>
>>>>>Why should I do all the searches, it is up to people who claim that comps. are
>>>>>indeed better than all humans except for the top ten or so IE 2700+ in the world
>>>>>on (PC's no less) to prove it not me.
>>>>
>>>>You made a statement.
>>>>If your statement is challenged it's up to you to prove you are correct.
>>>>
>>>>>"Extraordinary Claims need Extraoridinary Evidence"!
>>>>
>>>>My point above. I never made an extraordinary claim! *See Below.
>>>>
>>>>Sarah.
>>>
>>> Please treat me with a little respect, ok? I certainly have shown you this
>>>courtesy.
>>
>>
>>I don't think I've said anything for you to feel otherwise.
>>I apologize if you feel my comments were unfair. Ok...
>>
>>
>>>*It was _not_ *I* who _claimed_ computers play at 2700+! That's the
>>>extraordinary claim.
>>
>>
>>OK that was what you meant, was an extraordinary claim.
>>Mine is that you wrote;
>>
>>"There are plenty of games at ICC where GM's and IM's are still winning more
>>than losing to comps."
>
>Well there are wether you are aware of it or not. There are plenty of games
>lost by them as well, mostly at blitz and bullet. Nothing extraordinary there.
>Just a few years ago, when I was in better form I was beating strong programmes
>at blitz, G/5 and I'm not a GM.

Few years ago programs were clearly weaker than their level today but even at
that time programs were better than GM's at blitz and Fritz3(p90) won a blitz
tournament together with kasparov and only lost against kasparov in a special
match for the first place.

You can say that they did not know Fritz3's weaknesses but I believe that even
at that time Fritz3 could beat almost every GM in a serious blitz match when
the program does not play more than 2 games per day(white and black) and the
programmer has the right to change the program every day.


I believe that no human today can get even 25% against Junior and Fritz on good
hardware if the match is done in the following way:

1)Every day the human play 4 blitz games of 6 minutes per game(2 games against
Fritz and 2 games against Junior).

2)The programmers of Junior and Fritz have the right to update their program
every day between games.

Uri



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