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Subject: Re: I think it's pretty Common Knowledge now

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 16:12:16 03/27/02

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On March 27, 2002 at 18:21:50, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 27, 2002 at 17:09:27, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On March 27, 2002 at 13:09:16, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On March 27, 2002 at 12:52:27, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 27, 2002 at 10:04:32, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please name just one. The most well known Roman himself under the Jrlok handle
>>>>>>>has a score of +1 =0 -5 against Rebelrex.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Those are biltz games, and if 3/0 them bullet,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>3/0 is still blitz, however thse were 5/12.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and comps. are better at bullet
>>>>>>then almost anyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why should I do all the searches, it is up to people who claim that comps. are
>>>>>>indeed better than all humans except for the top ten or so IE 2700+ in the world
>>>>>>on (PC's no less) to prove it not me.
>>>>>
>>>>>You made a statement.
>>>>>If your statement is challenged it's up to you to prove you are correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Extraordinary Claims need Extraoridinary Evidence"!
>>>>>
>>>>>My point above. I never made an extraordinary claim! *See Below.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>> Please treat me with a little respect, ok? I certainly have shown you this
>>>>courtesy.
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't think I've said anything for you to feel otherwise.
>>>I apologize if you feel my comments were unfair. Ok...
>>>
>>>
>>>>*It was _not_ *I* who _claimed_ computers play at 2700+! That's the
>>>>extraordinary claim.
>>>
>>>
>>>OK that was what you meant, was an extraordinary claim.
>>>Mine is that you wrote;
>>>
>>>"There are plenty of games at ICC where GM's and IM's are still winning more
>>>than losing to comps."
>>
>>Well there are wether you are aware of it or not. There are plenty of games
>>lost by them as well, mostly at blitz and bullet. Nothing extraordinary there.
>>Just a few years ago, when I was in better form I was beating strong programmes
>>at blitz, G/5 and I'm not a GM.
>
>Few years ago programs were clearly weaker than their level today but even at
>that time programs were better than GM's at blitz and Fritz3(p90) won a blitz
>tournament together with kasparov and only lost against kasparov in a special
>match for the first place.
>
>You can say that they did not know Fritz3's weaknesses but I believe that even
>at that time Fritz3 could beat almost every GM in a serious blitz match when
>the program does not play more than 2 games per day(white and black) and the
>programmer has the right to change the program every day.
>
>
>I believe that no human today can get even 25% against Junior and Fritz on good
>hardware if the match is done in the following way:
>
>1)Every day the human play 4 blitz games of 6 minutes per game(2 games against
>Fritz and 2 games against Junior).
>
>2)The programmers of Junior and Fritz have the right to update their program
>every day between games.
>
>Uri

I believe there are exceptions to the rule. You underestimate human ingenuity!

BTW I guess I must play like a GM if all you say is true, at least when I was in
better form!:o)

Terry



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