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Subject: Re: Cool AMD 450 Mhz....

Author: Mark Young

Date: 13:18:35 07/10/98

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On July 10, 1998 at 15:16:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 10, 1998 at 13:39:42, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On July 10, 1998 at 06:53:00, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>>Posted by Kim Hvarre on July 10, 1998 at 05:46:37:
>>>
>>>>In Reply to: Re: Cool AMD 450 Mhz.... posted by Robert Hyatt on July 10,
>>>>1998 at 00:35:52:
>>>
>>>>On July 10, 1998 at 00:35:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>snipsnip
>>>
>>>>>Somehow our benchmarks are different.  First, I don't see how the Xeon is better
>>>>>at context-switching than a normal PII.. that is independent of cache
>>>>>completely.  however, I have benched my P6/200 vs PII/300's and get 1.41 every
>>>>>time I try, using crafty.  The first benchmark data I got on a Xeon (source I
>>>>>can't reveal) was exactly 2.25X faster than what I am getting on my P6/200.
>>>>>This makes sense as crafty has no MMX code whatsoever, so that both processors
>>>>>are using the same core technology and relative cache speeds.   But note that I
>>>>>am a real 32-bit application here with no known-to-be-bad stuff tucked away to
>>>>>hurt performance.
>>>
>>>>>For comparison, the AMD K6 seems a perfect match for the P6/200 when the clocks
>>>>>are matched...  But the Xeon is clocked faster..
>>>
>>>>Qouting from Ed's benchmarkpage:
>>>
>>>>Pentium PRO 200      1:02    7:38    1:57     0:19    4:56   0:26
>>>>Cyrix 200            1:22   10:12    2:20     0:17    3:45   0:22
>>>>AMD K6 200           0:47    5:50    1:30     0:15    3:45   0:20
>>>
>>>>one must (?) conclude, that the Rebelcode has "known-to-be-bad stuffed tucked
>>>>away" or?
>>>
>>>I do not think the better performance of Rebel on AMD in comparison with
>>>Intel chips is related to the code. Rebel since version 6 is a normal
>>>32-bit application.
>>>
>>>From postings from other programmers I noticed that AMD also runs their
>>>programs faster than Intel.
>>>
>>
>>Im not sure why AMD runs some programs faster. Most programs run faster on the P
>>II chip. But most chess programs run faster on AMD, but not all. I have asked
>>many time why this is so. One programmer told me it was due to the code and how
>>it was compiled. I think Bob has said his program runs best on the intel chip.
>>
>
>actually, in my case, I can't tell 'em apart, if the clocks are the same.  IE
>the first AMD K6/233 I tried was about 15% faster than a pentium pro 200, which
>is about what you'd expect comparing only clock frequency.
>
>
Correct that how I should of stated it. Crafty is not getting a boost in
perforence out of a K6 chip. As Rebel and some other chess programs do. So
crafty running on a K6 233 is not like Crafty running on a P II 300 as in the
case with Rebel.
>
>>>At the moment AMD by far is simply the best processor around.
>>>
>>>But the Intel (slot-2) is coming, will it out-perform AMD?
>>>
>>>Maybe, but certainly not in price. The last I read the chip will cost $4500.
>>>
>>>I pity Intel :)
>>>
>>>- Ed -
>>>
>>>
>>>>As You know these figures are average from several users. Perhaps the diff.
>>>>comes from the L1 cache - I don't remember where PP differ from K6 in that
>>>>respect.
>>>
>>>>kim



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