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Subject: Re: Look at this !!(??) move by Crafty 18.14!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:02:09 03/28/02

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On March 27, 2002 at 11:44:46, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 27, 2002 at 09:59:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 27, 2002 at 07:18:09, Aaron Tay wrote:
>>
>>>On March 27, 2002 at 06:55:43, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 27, 2002 at 05:28:28, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[D]8/B5pp/4k3/P7/6n1/8/P6P/7K b - - 0 41
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty as black played Nxh2!!(??). Yes the game ended draw so the move is
>>>>>probably correct, but I doubt, that Crafty's evaluation really understand this.
>>>>>E.g. if white plays a6 then black has no way to a8 square...
>>>>
>>>>*******
>>>>You can't have it both ways!  If the move is correct then a6 means nothing.  If
>>>>a6 wins then Nxh2 is definitely wrong.  Can you prove that a6 wins?  Crafty is
>>>>counting on the Bishop not covering the a8 square I guess.  But this could be
>>>>one of the exceptions to the rule if you can prove that a6 wins.  The black King
>>>>must head for c7/c8 so it can get to b8 then a8 if the Bishop moves.  I suspect
>>>>it all hangs on a tempo.  How is the lone King to stop the two connected passed
>>>>pawns without moveing the Bishop?
>>>>********
>>>
>>>[D]8/B7/4k3/P7/6n1/8/P6P/7K b KQkq -
>>>
>>>Remove black's 2 passed pawns and it still thinks Nxh2 is good with a near draw
>>>score..Eventually (21 seconds on mine,depth 18) crafty 18.13 sees the loss after
>>>Nxh2 but there is nothing better..
>>>
>>>I guess the rule does have a problem..
>>>
>>>
>>>Aaron
>>
>>Mine doesn't play Nh2 in the above position.  This now becomes a zugzwang
>>position with no black pawns to move, which turns it into a trivial mate for
>>white...
>
>I guess that it does not play Nxh2 because of tablebases.
>
>I wonder what happens when  you add a third pawn for white in the a file.
>
>Uri


No idea... but so long as black has something besides the king, this is a
draw...



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