Author: Rafael Vasquez
Date: 05:09:13 03/29/02
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On March 29, 2002 at 07:59:12, Uri Blass wrote: >On March 29, 2002 at 07:56:41, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On March 29, 2002 at 07:51:00, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:33:34, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>Dear CCC, >>>> >>>>This posting is dedicated to Thorsten in the first place being the absolute >>>>opponent against statistics. He might change opinions after this conclusive >>>>posting, Thorsten you will love this one! >>>> >>>>It's also dedicated to those who still believe that there is no performance >>>>increase/decrease when playing on different time controls. (Hi Christophe!) >>>> >>>>The below data is taken from the latest SSDF list and measures the differences >>>>between the used hardware, that is Athlon 1200 Mhz versus the AMD 450, roughly >>>>being a factor of 3. >>>> >>>> 2 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2714 34 -33 460 63% >>>>2619 +82 >>>> 13 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2632 30 -29 585 65% 2526 >>>> >>>> 3 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2709 34 -33 447 63% >>>>2617 +55 >>>> 9 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2654 24 -23 901 62% 2568 >>>> >>>> 4 Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2708 37 -36 381 61% >>>>2626 +67 >>>> 11 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2641 30 -29 592 66% 2522 >>>> >>>> 6 Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 34 -33 436 58% >>>>2630 +53 >>>> 14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 28 -26 717 67% 2505 >>>> >>>> 7 Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680 36 -35 407 63% >>>>2587 +104 >>>> 21 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2576 68 -70 105 46% 2606 >>>> >>>> 8 Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2662 32 -31 498 56% >>>>2619 +56 >>>> 17 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521 >>>> >>>> 10 Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2649 34 -33 430 54% >>>>2621 +130 >>>> 32 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2519 36 -36 378 53% 2499 >>>> >>>>Based on the above comparison the 2004 SSDF list running on 3600 Mhz hardware >>>>might looks as follows: >>>> >>>> 1. Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2714 + 82 = 2796 >>>> 2. Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680 + 104 = 2784 >>>> 3. Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2649 + 130 = 2779 >>>> 4. Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2708 + 67 = 2777 >>>> 5. Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2709 + 55 = 2764 >>>> 6. Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 + 53 = 2737 >>>> 7. Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2662 + 56 = 2718 >>>> >>>>I love this list :) >>>> >>>>Unknown entries because of no comparison material. >>>> >>>> 1 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2748 38 -35 395 68% 2616 >>>> 5 Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2706 37 -36 379 61% 2626 >>>> 16 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2613 33 -32 459 54% 2587 >>>> 23 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 24 -24 824 53% 2531 >>>> 29 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2526 21 -22 1051 48% 2537 >>>> 34 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2517 44 -45 251 45% 2550 >>>> >>>>A couple of notes: >>>> >>>>1) Rebel Century 4 (AMD-450) has played to less games yet (105) to make it a >>>>reliable comparison. However the result (+104) doesn't surprise me, Rebel is >>>>tuned for longer time controls. >>> >>>I think that you assume here that the programs earn the same >>>speed from the better hardware. >> >>>This assumption is wrong. >>>I do not know about Rebel but I remember that gandalf earns more >>>speed from the better hardware. >> >>Ahem, but that's exactly what the issue is all about. In the Gandalf case, it >>goes from place 10 to 3. >> >>Ed >> > >No >I say more speed from better hardware that is different >than better at longer time control. > >I mean that gandalf is 5 times faster on A1200 when Fritz >may be only 3 times faster on A1200. > >Uri Hi Uri, You are confused, Ed did this with speed difference factor. He is still assuming the same time control. Rafael
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