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Subject: Re: SSDF rating list in 2004 on 3600 Mhz PC's

Author: Rafael Vasquez

Date: 05:09:13 03/29/02

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On March 29, 2002 at 07:59:12, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 29, 2002 at 07:56:41, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:51:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:33:34, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dear CCC,
>>>>
>>>>This posting is dedicated to Thorsten in the first place being the absolute
>>>>opponent against statistics. He might change opinions after this conclusive
>>>>posting, Thorsten you will love this one!
>>>>
>>>>It's also dedicated to those who still believe that there is no performance
>>>>increase/decrease when playing on different time controls. (Hi Christophe!)
>>>>
>>>>The below data is taken from the latest SSDF list and measures the differences
>>>>between the used hardware, that is Athlon 1200 Mhz versus the AMD 450, roughly
>>>>being a factor of 3.
>>>>
>>>>  2 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200   2714   34   -33   460   63% 
>>>>2619		+82
>>>> 13 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2632   30   -29   585   65%  2526
>>>> 
>>>>  3 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2709   34   -33   447   63% 
>>>>2617		+55
>>>>  9 Deep Fritz  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2654   24   -23   901   62%  2568
>>>>
>>>>  4 Gambit Tiger 2.0  256MB Athlon 1200     2708   37   -36   381   61% 
>>>>2626		+67
>>>> 11 Gambit Tiger 2.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz    2641   30   -29   592   66%  2522
>>>>
>>>>  6 Junior 7.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz      2684   34   -33   436   58% 
>>>>2630		+53
>>>> 14 Junior 7.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2631   28   -26   717   67%  2505
>>>>
>>>>  7 Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680   36   -35   407   63% 
>>>>2587		+104
>>>> 21 Rebel Century 4.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz   2576   68   -70   105   46%  2606
>>>>
>>>>  8 Shredder 5.32  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2662   32   -31   498   56% 
>>>>2619		+56
>>>> 17 Shredder 5.32  128MB K6-2 450 MHz       2606   31   -30   545   62%  2521
>>>>
>>>> 10 Gandalf 4.32h  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2649   34   -33   430   54% 
>>>>2621		+130
>>>> 32 Gandalf 4.32h  128MB K6-2 450 MHz       2519   36   -36   378   53%  2499
>>>>
>>>>Based on the above comparison the 2004 SSDF list running on 3600 Mhz hardware
>>>>might looks as follows:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200   2714 +  82 = 2796
>>>> 2. Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680 + 104 = 2784
>>>> 3. Gandalf 4.32h  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2649 + 130 = 2779
>>>> 4. Gambit Tiger 2.0  256MB Athlon 1200     2708 +  67 = 2777
>>>> 5. Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2709 +  55 = 2764
>>>> 6. Junior 7.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz      2684 +  53 = 2737
>>>> 7. Shredder 5.32  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2662 +  56 = 2718
>>>>
>>>>I love this list :)
>>>>
>>>>Unknown entries because of no comparison material.
>>>>
>>>>   1 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz         2748   38   -35   395   68%  2616
>>>>   5 Shredder 6.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz     2706   37   -36   379   61%  2626
>>>>  16 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz  2613   33   -32   459   54%  2587
>>>>  23 Nimzo 8.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz           2554   24   -24   824   53%  2531
>>>>  29 Hiarcs 7.32  128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2526   21   -22  1051   48%  2537
>>>>  34 Chessmaster 8000  128MB K6-2 450 MHz    2517   44   -45   251   45%  2550
>>>>
>>>>A couple of notes:
>>>>
>>>>1) Rebel Century 4 (AMD-450) has played to less games yet (105) to make it a
>>>>reliable comparison. However the result (+104) doesn't surprise me, Rebel is
>>>>tuned for longer time controls.
>>>
>>>I think that you assume here that the programs earn the same
>>>speed from the better hardware.
>>
>>>This assumption is wrong.
>>>I do not know about Rebel but I remember that gandalf earns more
>>>speed from the better hardware.
>>
>>Ahem, but that's exactly what the issue is all about. In the Gandalf case, it
>>goes from place 10 to 3.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>
>No
>I say more speed from better hardware that is different
>than better at longer time control.
>
>I mean that gandalf is 5 times faster on A1200 when Fritz
>may be only 3 times faster on A1200.
>
>Uri
Hi Uri,
You are confused,
Ed did this with speed difference factor. He is still assuming the same time
control.
Rafael



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