Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:18:44 03/29/02
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On March 29, 2002 at 08:09:13, Rafael Vasquez wrote: >On March 29, 2002 at 07:59:12, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On March 29, 2002 at 07:56:41, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:51:00, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:33:34, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>Dear CCC, >>>>> >>>>>This posting is dedicated to Thorsten in the first place being the absolute >>>>>opponent against statistics. He might change opinions after this conclusive >>>>>posting, Thorsten you will love this one! >>>>> >>>>>It's also dedicated to those who still believe that there is no performance >>>>>increase/decrease when playing on different time controls. (Hi Christophe!) >>>>> >>>>>The below data is taken from the latest SSDF list and measures the differences >>>>>between the used hardware, that is Athlon 1200 Mhz versus the AMD 450, roughly >>>>>being a factor of 3. >>>>> >>>>> 2 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2714 34 -33 460 63% >>>>>2619 +82 >>>>> 13 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2632 30 -29 585 65% 2526 >>>>> >>>>> 3 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2709 34 -33 447 63% >>>>>2617 +55 >>>>> 9 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2654 24 -23 901 62% 2568 >>>>> >>>>> 4 Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2708 37 -36 381 61% >>>>>2626 +67 >>>>> 11 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2641 30 -29 592 66% 2522 >>>>> >>>>> 6 Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 34 -33 436 58% >>>>>2630 +53 >>>>> 14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 28 -26 717 67% 2505 >>>>> >>>>> 7 Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680 36 -35 407 63% >>>>>2587 +104 >>>>> 21 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2576 68 -70 105 46% 2606 >>>>> >>>>> 8 Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2662 32 -31 498 56% >>>>>2619 +56 >>>>> 17 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521 >>>>> >>>>> 10 Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2649 34 -33 430 54% >>>>>2621 +130 >>>>> 32 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2519 36 -36 378 53% 2499 >>>>> >>>>>Based on the above comparison the 2004 SSDF list running on 3600 Mhz hardware >>>>>might looks as follows: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2714 + 82 = 2796 >>>>> 2. Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680 + 104 = 2784 >>>>> 3. Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2649 + 130 = 2779 >>>>> 4. Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2708 + 67 = 2777 >>>>> 5. Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2709 + 55 = 2764 >>>>> 6. Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 + 53 = 2737 >>>>> 7. Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2662 + 56 = 2718 >>>>> >>>>>I love this list :) >>>>> >>>>>Unknown entries because of no comparison material. >>>>> >>>>> 1 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2748 38 -35 395 68% 2616 >>>>> 5 Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2706 37 -36 379 61% 2626 >>>>> 16 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2613 33 -32 459 54% 2587 >>>>> 23 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 24 -24 824 53% 2531 >>>>> 29 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2526 21 -22 1051 48% 2537 >>>>> 34 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2517 44 -45 251 45% 2550 >>>>> >>>>>A couple of notes: >>>>> >>>>>1) Rebel Century 4 (AMD-450) has played to less games yet (105) to make it a >>>>>reliable comparison. However the result (+104) doesn't surprise me, Rebel is >>>>>tuned for longer time controls. >>>> >>>>I think that you assume here that the programs earn the same >>>>speed from the better hardware. >>> >>>>This assumption is wrong. >>>>I do not know about Rebel but I remember that gandalf earns more >>>>speed from the better hardware. >>> >>>Ahem, but that's exactly what the issue is all about. In the Gandalf case, it >>>goes from place 10 to 3. >>> >>>Ed >>> >> >>No >>I say more speed from better hardware that is different >>than better at longer time control. >> >>I mean that gandalf is 5 times faster on A1200 when Fritz >>may be only 3 times faster on A1200. >> >>Uri >Hi Uri, >You are confused, >Ed did this with speed difference factor. He is still assuming the same time >control. >Rafael He wrote that Rebel is tuned for long time control in his post so I assume that he mean to say that better hardware is the same as longer time control. Here are the relevant words from Ed's post again: "1) Rebel Century 4 (AMD-450) has played to less games yet (105) to make it a reliable comparison. However the result (+104) doesn't surprise me, Rebel is tuned for longer time controls." Uri
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