Author: Rafael Vasquez
Date: 06:10:02 03/29/02
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On March 29, 2002 at 08:18:44, Uri Blass wrote: >On March 29, 2002 at 08:09:13, Rafael Vasquez wrote: > >>On March 29, 2002 at 07:59:12, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:56:41, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:51:00, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 29, 2002 at 07:33:34, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Dear CCC, >>>>>> >>>>>>This posting is dedicated to Thorsten in the first place being the absolute >>>>>>opponent against statistics. He might change opinions after this conclusive >>>>>>posting, Thorsten you will love this one! >>>>>> >>>>>>It's also dedicated to those who still believe that there is no performance >>>>>>increase/decrease when playing on different time controls. (Hi Christophe!) >>>>>> >>>>>>The below data is taken from the latest SSDF list and measures the differences >>>>>>between the used hardware, that is Athlon 1200 Mhz versus the AMD 450, roughly >>>>>>being a factor of 3. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2714 34 -33 460 63% >>>>>>2619 +82 >>>>>> 13 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2632 30 -29 585 65% 2526 >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2709 34 -33 447 63% >>>>>>2617 +55 >>>>>> 9 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2654 24 -23 901 62% 2568 >>>>>> >>>>>> 4 Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2708 37 -36 381 61% >>>>>>2626 +67 >>>>>> 11 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2641 30 -29 592 66% 2522 >>>>>> >>>>>> 6 Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 34 -33 436 58% >>>>>>2630 +53 >>>>>> 14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 28 -26 717 67% 2505 >>>>>> >>>>>> 7 Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680 36 -35 407 63% >>>>>>2587 +104 >>>>>> 21 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2576 68 -70 105 46% 2606 >>>>>> >>>>>> 8 Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2662 32 -31 498 56% >>>>>>2619 +56 >>>>>> 17 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521 >>>>>> >>>>>> 10 Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2649 34 -33 430 54% >>>>>>2621 +130 >>>>>> 32 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2519 36 -36 378 53% 2499 >>>>>> >>>>>>Based on the above comparison the 2004 SSDF list running on 3600 Mhz hardware >>>>>>might looks as follows: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2714 + 82 = 2796 >>>>>> 2. Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680 + 104 = 2784 >>>>>> 3. Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2649 + 130 = 2779 >>>>>> 4. Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2708 + 67 = 2777 >>>>>> 5. Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2709 + 55 = 2764 >>>>>> 6. Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 + 53 = 2737 >>>>>> 7. Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2662 + 56 = 2718 >>>>>> >>>>>>I love this list :) >>>>>> >>>>>>Unknown entries because of no comparison material. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2748 38 -35 395 68% 2616 >>>>>> 5 Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2706 37 -36 379 61% 2626 >>>>>> 16 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2613 33 -32 459 54% 2587 >>>>>> 23 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 24 -24 824 53% 2531 >>>>>> 29 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2526 21 -22 1051 48% 2537 >>>>>> 34 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2517 44 -45 251 45% 2550 >>>>>> >>>>>>A couple of notes: >>>>>> >>>>>>1) Rebel Century 4 (AMD-450) has played to less games yet (105) to make it a >>>>>>reliable comparison. However the result (+104) doesn't surprise me, Rebel is >>>>>>tuned for longer time controls. >>>>> >>>>>I think that you assume here that the programs earn the same >>>>>speed from the better hardware. >>>> >>>>>This assumption is wrong. >>>>>I do not know about Rebel but I remember that gandalf earns more >>>>>speed from the better hardware. >>>> >>>>Ahem, but that's exactly what the issue is all about. In the Gandalf case, it >>>>goes from place 10 to 3. >>>> >>>>Ed >>>> >>> >>>No >>>I say more speed from better hardware that is different >>>than better at longer time control. >>> >>>I mean that gandalf is 5 times faster on A1200 when Fritz >>>may be only 3 times faster on A1200. >>> >>>Uri >>Hi Uri, >>You are confused, >>Ed did this with speed difference factor. He is still assuming the same time >>control. >>Rafael > >He wrote that Rebel is tuned for long time control in his post >so I assume that he mean to say that better hardware >is the same as longer time control. > >Here are the relevant words from Ed's post again: > >"1) Rebel Century 4 (AMD-450) has played to less games yet (105) to make it a >reliable comparison. However the result (+104) doesn't surprise me, Rebel is >tuned for longer time controls." > >Uri Hi Uri, I think that was a mistake by Ed, in Fact against Anand was in short time controls were Rebel had better results. But Rebel was always searching the fastest hardware (In that match used Kryotech technology) so I think that Ed meant to say that Rebel plays better with faster hardware. Rafael
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