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Subject: Re: Some more comments

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 08:29:28 03/29/02

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On March 29, 2002 at 10:12:41, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On March 28, 2002 at 20:32:40, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>Some things come to mind, thinking a little more about this.
>>
>>First is electromigration. When current goes through circuits, the paths are
>>eroded by miniscule amounts. This basically only matters within dense chips like
>>microprocessors, where the connections are only a few hundred molecules wide.
>>The point is that these chips wear out when you use them, but they're still
>>designed/manufactured for 10+ years of continuous use, so it doesn't really
>>matter. The problem is when you start overclocking and upping the current
>>through the chips--some people claim that with high current, CPUs can be
>>destroyed because of electromigration within 2 years. Again, not a problem if
>>you don't overclock.
>>
>>The only other parts of a computer that wear out are the capacitors and the
>>moving parts, i.e., the fans and hard drive. Old capacitors leak, but I don't
>>know how usage patterns affect this leakage. I also don't know if fans wear out
>>faster if they're left on or if they're cycled on and off. I know that hard
>>drives used to wear when they were turned on and off, but now that we have
>>autoparking heads and so forth, I don't think that's an issue. Laptop
>>power-saving software is constantly turning hard drives on and off, and I
>>haven't heard complains frop laptop users about hard drive lifespans.
>>
>>Really, I don't think it matters. I know people who leave their computers on all
>>day and I know other people who turn theirs on and off many times per day, and
>>the compuers all last a darn long time.
>
>
>
>Where I live leaving computers on matters a lot, but for a different reason.
>
>Here in Guadeloupe, we are living under a tropical climate.
>
>The climate is very humid, and when I leave a computer off for say one month,
>this computer stays at "room temperature" and is subject to water condensation.
>
>Water molecules contained in the air condense when they touch the metallic parts
>of the computer, everywhere including on printed circuits. This leads to slow
>corrosion of the unprotected metallic parts.
>
>Older computers were better protected against this problem because they were
>built with higher standards and also because the printed circuits paths were
>larger (it took longer for corrosion to eat them completely).
>
>Current motherboards for example are really poorly protected. You can find
>unprotected copper paths everywhere on the surface of a modern motherboard.
>These unprotected areas are time bombs where I live: sooner or later the climate
>will eat them up.
>
>By leaving my computers on all the time I let them stay at a higher temperature.
>Condensation cannot happen when the computer is warmer than "room temperature",
>and this provides some protection against corrosion.
>
>By experience, every time I leave a computer off for a long period of time, I
>have 50% chances to be able to get it working again.
>
>Half of the times it simply won't boot. Generally I have to replace the
>motherboard of the video card to get it working again.
>
>
>As a side note I would say that current hardware is real shit. I have several
>computers built around 1990. They still work fine, and they have been subject to
>corrosion for 8 years now.
>
>Modern hardware cannot resist more than a few months here.
>
>
>
>    Christophe


I wonder if "salt" is also an issue. I heard when you live close to the sea your
car is going to rust much earlier. I am not sure that still holds for nowadays
cars but perhaps the computer industry just doesn't care for people living near
the sea.

Ed



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